Episode 6: Drag Queens: The Art of Transformation (Part 3)

[00:00:00] Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, coming to you from somewhere deep in the heart of Texas. You're listening to the Unspoken Podcast, where nothing is off limits. Here's your hosts, Breyden and Cody.

[00:00:19] Alright guys, welcome to the final episode of Drag Queens, The Art of Impression. We have two special guests today, both personal friends of mine and Cody's. We are so excited to, uh, first guest, we're so excited to.

[00:00:32] Well, one of the two. I actually just met one.

[00:00:34] Yes, but one of the two I'm very proud of. I'm very just, I've known her for quite a while now, and just always a positive influence in my life.

[00:00:43] But the absolutely fabulous Miss Maymay Graves is gonna be here. She's here right now with us.

[00:00:50] You beat my mic.

[00:00:51] How are you?

[00:00:51] I'm doing well. Yeah, really well. It's been a chill day. I have a show in Wichita, like on Friday, and so keeping most of the week just like band rehearsal and...

[00:01:02] Wichita, Texas?

[00:01:03] Oh, Arkansas.

[00:01:03] Kansas.

[00:01:04] Wait, what's up?

[00:01:05] Kansas.

[00:01:05] Wichita, Kansas. Oh my God.

[00:01:07] Wichita Falls is Texas.

[00:01:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:09] You made me look...

[00:01:10] Well, I work there. I work there.

[00:01:11] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:01:12] I know.

[00:01:12] I travel there.

[00:01:14] Absolutely.

[00:01:14] So, what's new Miss Maymay? How are you? How's life?

[00:01:18] Yeah, yeah. 15 months this month, sobriety. And I say like loosely sober. Like I still love weed and micro dosing mushrooms. I was telling you, I have like a little bit of schizophrenia as a treat.

[00:01:31] And so like the only things that like bring it out honestly are just hallucinations before I go to sleep and after I wake up. And so it hasn't like, it's not like a huge thing.

[00:01:42] Hallucinations how?

[00:01:43] Well, like technically they're delusions. So like that can be hallucinations. So like you wake up and you like suddenly believe that someone's after you or something.

[00:01:50] Okay.

[00:01:50] Now it's...

[00:01:51] So you're still stuck in your room.

[00:01:51] Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like that except for like 20 minutes after you wake up.

[00:01:55] I got you.

[00:01:55] You know, one time, not to interrupt, but one time I woke up in a dream thinking I was in a dream.

[00:02:00] Yeah.

[00:02:00] So like it took me twice to wake up.

[00:02:02] And it happens...

[00:02:02] Weirdest thing ever.

[00:02:03] Like the thing is too is that like the schizophrenic thing, like it's more of a, it's more of a like a fluid spectrum than people realize.

[00:02:15] You, like some people are like, you know, you see like the people who always think that someone's after them or always see someone that's not there or hear things.

[00:02:25] And that's, that's a really intense form of schizophrenia, but there are like schizoaffective disorders that...

[00:02:30] Dude, I'm a nurse.

[00:02:31] Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, perfect.

[00:02:32] And I do medical drug and alcohol detox.

[00:02:34] Perfect. Yeah. So you see it a lot.

[00:02:36] And, and so like drugs really do like help amplify it.

[00:02:39] And so like, that's the only time like really during the day that I really have gotten any kind of like big hallucinations.

[00:02:45] And one time recently I was doing a show and my drag sister gave me what I thought was a micro dose of mushrooms.

[00:02:53] Turns out it was like a macro dose for me.

[00:02:55] And I ended up...

[00:02:58] During a show.

[00:02:58] Yeah, during a show.

[00:02:59] The good news is that like...

[00:03:01] Before your show.

[00:03:01] Yeah, we were doing what you call...

[00:03:02] Holy shit.

[00:03:03] Yeah, we were doing like what, what you do, what you call club kidding, which is like whenever you're more of like...

[00:03:07] I've never heard of that one.

[00:03:08] Yeah, or hosting, which is not the same as like hosting with a microphone on stage.

[00:03:12] Like hosting a party is more of like you're walking around, you're mingling with people, you look cool.

[00:03:17] Like it's, you're kind of like one of the officiants of the party who's like making sure that everybody's having a good time.

[00:03:23] You're kind of the life of the party and you look cool.

[00:03:25] And it's like a birthday clown.

[00:03:27] And so the good news is that like...

[00:03:28] Is that what you normally do?

[00:03:29] Not really.

[00:03:30] Like I, I do like a mixture of like a lot of things.

[00:03:32] I'm in a band.

[00:03:33] I sing on stage.

[00:03:34] I sing on stage.

[00:03:35] Yeah.

[00:03:35] We'll talk about that in a bit.

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:36] And, but occasionally like I'll get these good gigs that where you're technically club kidding.

[00:03:42] And so took that, uh, took that.

[00:03:46] You rescued him from a claw machine.

[00:03:48] He's just, he's a plush toy.

[00:03:50] He looks like Stitch.

[00:03:51] Yeah.

[00:03:51] But I, um, I, I ended up like, you know, I, I get like a little scratch in the back of my head whenever like I know that something's a hallucination or something.

[00:04:00] Again, like I grew up with this as a kid and thought it was normal.

[00:04:02] And so like now I know how to kind of identify like what's real and what's not.

[00:04:07] And a lot of the time it's like a little scratch in my brain.

[00:04:09] So I started to get it while I was out and I've never had like an episode in front of somebody before.

[00:04:14] Um, what's an episode look like for you?

[00:04:17] Like a lot of the times it's just me shutting down, but like windows closed, shutting down.

[00:04:22] Like, yeah.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:23] Like it's, it's a corner under a rock kind of thing.

[00:04:25] It's me scared that I'm going to hurt myself or others.

[00:04:27] Like it's a lot of paranoia, like driven thoughts.

[00:04:31] I have OCD, so I have a really bad intrusive thoughts.

[00:04:34] You should see my cabinets.

[00:04:35] Hello.

[00:04:36] So my refrigerator and cabinets, man.

[00:04:38] Yeah.

[00:04:38] I mean like they've got to be staggered.

[00:04:40] They got to be on the right shelves.

[00:04:42] And I don't even have like, Braden.

[00:04:43] Braden.

[00:04:43] So my, my, my, my dishes, I'm horrible at dishes, but my buddy Braden, of course, uh, he'll come over and he'll do my dishes.

[00:04:50] Yeah.

[00:04:50] I got to load my dishwasher the right way or don't fucking do it.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] And I got to put my dishes up the right way or don't fucking do it.

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:57] I, I don't, I don't have like the cool OCD.

[00:05:00] Like it's actually helpful for me.

[00:05:02] I have like, I have the really bad, like diagnosed because I was like washing my hands until they bled when I was a kid.

[00:05:09] Like, like so many times you got to touch something kind of thing.

[00:05:12] Yeah.

[00:05:13] It was just like destructive, destructive.

[00:05:14] Yeah.

[00:05:15] Like I count a lot.

[00:05:15] These have to be in order.

[00:05:16] I count too.

[00:05:17] Yeah.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:18] I do.

[00:05:19] I do.

[00:05:19] Um, I do fives.

[00:05:20] Okay.

[00:05:21] Okay.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:22] And also, um, I check spoons.

[00:05:23] When I was a kid, I did the nines.

[00:05:25] Yeah.

[00:05:25] Oh, the nines.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:26] I don't know why.

[00:05:27] I had to be sets of threes, but it went to a nine, but I grew out of it.

[00:05:32] Yeah.

[00:05:32] No, like I, I never did.

[00:05:34] Like the thing is like, again, it's fluid.

[00:05:36] Like a lot of kids, you know, it's something that's already intrinsic intrinsically.

[00:05:41] And sober means to you off of what?

[00:05:44] So not psychedelics.

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:45] Fight with stimulants and suppressants.

[00:05:47] Oh yeah.

[00:05:47] I had a fight with NBC.

[00:05:48] Otherwise marijuana.

[00:05:49] NBC.

[00:05:50] The national broadcasting company.

[00:05:53] While I was on LSD one time, it was the only time that I was on LSD.

[00:05:57] It was a great time regardless, but I had a, I had a number go viral.

[00:06:00] Perfect experience.

[00:06:01] I had my, I did this number.

[00:06:02] It was Kylie Minogue's Padam Padam.

[00:06:04] But every time she said Padam Padam in the song, I switched it out with the law and order

[00:06:08] sound that goes gunk gunk.

[00:06:09] And it went viral for a second.

[00:06:11] And so the NBC official like Instagram took the sound that I made and then used it for like

[00:06:17] one of their promos.

[00:06:18] Didn't tag me.

[00:06:19] Yeah.

[00:06:20] And they acted as if like, they were kind of being like really shady in the comments acting

[00:06:23] like they were the ones who made it.

[00:06:24] And people are like, drop the full mix.

[00:06:26] And they're like, I don't know.

[00:06:27] We might make it.

[00:06:28] And I'm like, no, no, no.

[00:06:29] I made it.

[00:06:29] And I didn't say anything, but like all these Dallas drag queens are like, like they're,

[00:06:35] they're commenting being like, tag her, tag her.

[00:06:38] And meanwhile, I'm on LSD.

[00:06:39] I didn't know if this was like a normal thing.

[00:06:40] If I was like, I didn't think so.

[00:06:42] So I'm sitting there just looking at my phone, which you never do on psychedelics.

[00:06:46] Don't look at your face in the mirror.

[00:06:48] You know, when I do, I love it.

[00:06:50] Yeah.

[00:06:50] That's my favorite thing.

[00:06:51] And I'll do shrooms.

[00:06:52] I'll admit it.

[00:06:53] Yeah.

[00:06:53] I love shrooms.

[00:06:54] I want to watch my face in the mirror.

[00:06:56] Yeah.

[00:06:56] No, I, my boyfriend, he tells me, he's like, no, that's, that's your perception of yourself.

[00:07:00] So the changes in the mirror are what you really are, but your perception is what you see.

[00:07:05] Yeah.

[00:07:05] And I don't like me.

[00:07:06] I love the idea of me.

[00:07:08] I pick, I pick me apart.

[00:07:10] I love the perception of me.

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:11] I love, I love what I've worked hard for other people to see, but I don't want to, I don't want

[00:07:17] to see underneath that.

[00:07:17] I know who's underneath that.

[00:07:19] I don't like her.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:20] I, but I had like me on shrooms is pretty.

[00:07:22] Oh yeah.

[00:07:23] You know what?

[00:07:24] Him on shrooms has 15 personalities.

[00:07:26] Hey, that was one time.

[00:07:27] Now that we're out in me, yeah, I do shrooms.

[00:07:29] Cool.

[00:07:30] Yeah.

[00:07:30] No, I've done them with, no.

[00:07:31] This was one time and I talked to the people in the closet.

[00:07:34] Well, no, I didn't go hiding.

[00:07:35] I was trying to pull them back out with me.

[00:07:37] Yeah.

[00:07:37] No, it was some girl and some guy in the closet, but.

[00:07:40] No, it was fun.

[00:07:41] I mean, like I didn't, I didn't do too much and you know, I did, I did, I did, I'm not going

[00:07:57] theorist, but there is something to interdimensional beings.

[00:08:00] I just did this two weeks ago, two weeks ago.

[00:08:04] So I've listened to your music because I've known you quite so much.

[00:08:07] Oh yeah, he does music.

[00:08:08] He does.

[00:08:08] You've got to listen.

[00:08:09] What is it?

[00:08:10] Just promote it.

[00:08:11] Yeah.

[00:08:11] Yeah.

[00:08:11] May May Graves on everywhere that music is sold and streams.

[00:08:14] Spotify is what we're kind of promoting right now.

[00:08:16] May May Graves?

[00:08:17] Yeah.

[00:08:17] May May Graves.

[00:08:18] May May Graves.com will take you to it.

[00:08:20] May like the month, Graves like a gravestone.

[00:08:22] The, we just came out with a single.

[00:08:23] We're releasing a single every month until the album's out next year.

[00:08:27] So we just released our first single, Suicide Bride.

[00:08:29] I believe November 17th is my next single called Black Glitter.

[00:08:32] And that was my first single.

[00:08:33] Y'all just so you know, this is a scary queen.

[00:08:35] I did not know the difference between.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:38] Scary or scary or it doesn't matter.

[00:08:40] It's funny.

[00:08:40] Like I just consider myself to be a drag queen or a drag artist.

[00:08:43] I didn't know there was differences.

[00:08:44] Yeah.

[00:08:44] Well, I mean, that's the thing.

[00:08:45] Everybody loves to like put artists into like different boxes.

[00:08:49] You're drag queens and you just did your thing.

[00:08:51] Yeah.

[00:08:51] Like one of the big things that like, and that's the thing, that's what it is because like I grew up in like the burlesque scene and like the classic drag scene and just did my own thing.

[00:09:00] And I was, and they were totally cool with it even though.

[00:09:02] 31.

[00:09:03] Okay, cool.

[00:09:03] But I started in 2010.

[00:09:06] Okay.

[00:09:07] So 15 years.

[00:09:09] Where are you from?

[00:09:10] 14 years.

[00:09:11] I'm from Longview.

[00:09:13] No way.

[00:09:14] You started out there.

[00:09:15] I thought you were going to say Tyler.

[00:09:16] I'm like, you white collar piece of shit.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] All right.

[00:09:19] All right.

[00:09:19] Cool.

[00:09:20] Yeah.

[00:09:20] Fantastic.

[00:09:21] It's, um, and we have a band now, um, like for my life shows.

[00:09:25] And so we're maybe, we, right now we've been focusing on just like releasing the album, but, uh, now we're starting to do shows.

[00:09:32] So we're doing the shimmy and shred metal slash burlesque festival in Wichita.

[00:09:38] Um, this Friday.

[00:09:39] Yeah.

[00:09:40] Kansas, Kansas, Wichita, Kansas.

[00:09:41] I just, I have to specify cause I, I'm a traveler.

[00:09:44] I'll go with South Falls.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:46] There's a, you know, what is it?

[00:09:47] So, so when you do, are you the singer?

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] Okay.

[00:09:51] So do you dress in your, your scary drag?

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:55] I mean, that's what it is.

[00:09:56] That's my persona.

[00:09:57] Like is I've kind of curated for the past like 14, 15 years, this drag persona.

[00:10:01] That's what you turned to be.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:03] The, it's this, the real story behind my drag persona is that she's this girl who died in

[00:10:09] like 1989 and she's just like this punk rocker.

[00:10:13] That's what you stick with?

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] And, and, and she woke up one day and suddenly she's in this hellish world of like monsters

[00:10:18] and she's, she dug herself out of her grave and she's figuring out like what's going

[00:10:22] on with this world of monsters.

[00:10:22] What about when you figure out what happens?

[00:10:24] Um, still writing that part of the book, but.

[00:10:26] I'm here for it.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] I have a few chapters left, but I am writing a book.

[00:10:30] Yeah.

[00:10:30] Yeah.

[00:10:30] Well, I'm like one chapter, like every other chapter is going to be about the story of May

[00:10:35] May Graves.

[00:10:36] Like the lore.

[00:10:36] It's very like Buffy the Vampire Slayer monster of the week.

[00:10:39] Oh, I love Buffy.

[00:10:40] Yeah.

[00:10:40] I was low, low key Buffy fan.

[00:10:43] Were you?

[00:10:43] Yeah.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:45] I'm high key.

[00:10:45] She was hot as fuck too.

[00:10:46] Yeah.

[00:10:47] Well, I mean, I'm gay as fuck.

[00:10:48] No, listen, but Buffy is, she is.

[00:10:51] So do you perform?

[00:10:51] Where do you perform?

[00:10:52] Do you perform all over?

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Justin Dallas?

[00:10:55] Yeah.

[00:10:55] I, um, put him in that chair here.

[00:10:57] I perform.

[00:10:57] I do a show.

[00:10:58] I produce two shows.

[00:10:59] I whittled it down to where I could focus on music, but I produce a show at the Texas

[00:11:03] theater every month where we show it's where Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested after allegedly

[00:11:07] shooting JFK.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:09] It's a, it's this old theater, old art.

[00:11:11] I know what you're talking about now.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] I'm not familiar.

[00:11:13] I'm not familiar.

[00:11:13] Great place.

[00:11:14] Oh, it's a great place.

[00:11:14] And it's, it's run by a whole bunch of like just movie nerds who, um, love like cult

[00:11:23] movies, cult phenomenon.

[00:11:25] And, um, they, uh, I mean, over the Halloween season, they had a, an art installation above

[00:11:31] it where you could go in and it looks like an old mom and pop VHS store.

[00:11:35] And it's a really cool place.

[00:11:37] Yeah.

[00:11:37] Yeah.

[00:11:37] Well, before blockbuster.

[00:11:39] No, this was a, I love a, I love an old VHS store that, um, had a back room where you

[00:11:44] had to rewind the videos.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Rewind the videos.

[00:11:47] Before you watch the porn.

[00:11:47] Yeah.

[00:11:48] So, you're so funny.

[00:11:49] So, okay.

[00:11:50] So, I'm, don't mean to change this, but I will talk about your music because I knew your music

[00:11:54] back from my circuit days.

[00:11:55] We have a mutual friend named Jason.

[00:11:57] Yeah.

[00:11:57] And there is a very popular artist now.

[00:12:00] I think her, her new song before I tell her who, who tell you who she is.

[00:12:04] I think this sound is very reminiscent of Maymay Graves.

[00:12:07] So Lady Gaga.

[00:12:08] Yeah.

[00:12:08] I knew exactly what you were going to say.

[00:12:11] It's a good song.

[00:12:11] It's a good song.

[00:12:12] It's, I feel like this is a Maymay song.

[00:12:14] I was, I was so against like mainstream music for so long.

[00:12:19] Like whenever I was younger, like I'm at this point, I'm entering my elder goth era,

[00:12:23] my elder punk era.

[00:12:25] And so like, don't say elder, I'm older than you.

[00:12:26] Yeah.

[00:12:26] Well, that's the thing is that like, I started so early.

[00:12:28] And so I, um, I like, I only listened to like Depeche Mode, um, yeah.

[00:12:36] And so like all these, you know, again, like a lot of my inspiration comes from like 80s

[00:12:41] video vixens.

[00:12:41] And so baseline in his music is always a good one.

[00:12:44] Love a bass line.

[00:12:45] Like I love like a four on the floor, like Scott song.

[00:12:48] And, and the thing is, is that like disease by Gaga sounds so much like, uh, it's a Maymay

[00:12:53] Graves song.

[00:12:54] Yeah.

[00:12:54] It sounds like a Gus Appelstein song.

[00:12:56] Yeah.

[00:12:56] Um, if you, if you listen to them, it's very much like that same baseline, that same trippy

[00:13:01] baseline.

[00:13:01] And so like, I didn't like really get into Gaga until like the art pop era and like fell

[00:13:06] in love.

[00:13:07] But also I was so like against me liking anything that was on the radio at the time because I

[00:13:12] was just such a counter-cultural asshole.

[00:13:14] Right.

[00:13:14] Well, and I've talked about collaborating many times.

[00:13:16] Yeah.

[00:13:17] And so like when I heard this song, his son is my little broke best friend and love him

[00:13:20] so much.

[00:13:21] And he loves, he loves that fucking song.

[00:13:23] And I go, when I hear it, yes.

[00:13:28] But when I hear it, I've heard your songs in the past.

[00:13:31] She did a remix of Hocus Pocus song.

[00:13:33] I put a spell on you at a club that we're at.

[00:13:36] It was, um, big question real quick.

[00:13:38] I had to interrupt.

[00:13:39] You, you'd like to go by her and she, but you have, I have a beard.

[00:13:43] Yeah.

[00:13:43] Well, no, we all have periods and a big old dick.

[00:13:45] I know.

[00:13:46] I can see.

[00:13:47] I saw when you sat down.

[00:13:49] I'm like, is that really you buddy?

[00:13:50] It is.

[00:13:50] It is a pouch underwear.

[00:13:52] No, it's actually not right now, but that's fine.

[00:13:55] But so you go by she and her.

[00:13:57] Are you planning to change or why do you do that?

[00:13:58] No.

[00:13:59] So here's the thing.

[00:14:00] Uh, gender is super fucking fluid.

[00:14:02] It's fluid.

[00:14:03] It's so fluid.

[00:14:03] Yeah.

[00:14:03] But in curiosity to your parts, like why do you go by that pronoun?

[00:14:08] Because I'm more so.

[00:14:09] Because you don't dress like that always.

[00:14:10] Yeah.

[00:14:10] Well, most people know me as, as a drag character and as a more feminine character.

[00:14:15] But is that how you feel when you do it?

[00:14:17] Because.

[00:14:18] Yeah.

[00:14:18] I like, I, I prefer feminine pronouns because that's always kind of how I presented myself.

[00:14:22] But you just like your cock so you'll keep it?

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:24] I mean.

[00:14:24] I mean, look at it.

[00:14:25] Why wouldn't you?

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:26] I think it's a real question because we have the last, the last friend of mine that we interviewed.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:32] Um, she's transitioning.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:34] But, and she's a drag.

[00:14:35] Uh, she's doing awful, but she's going to keep her cock.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:39] And I've known many, you know, tuck it in, but, but she goes by those pronouns, but you're,

[00:14:44] but you're not getting boobs.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:46] Um, I was going, well, here's the thing too about that is that I actually like, I have

[00:14:50] a plan because I'm more of like, there's a term where you just kind of like want to

[00:14:54] do everything at different points of your life, like, and just kind of experiment with gender,

[00:14:58] which is called being a gender, not like an astronaut.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:02] It's an old term that like I grew up with and, and I always grew up like as a gender

[00:15:06] fuck kind of category.

[00:15:08] Whenever I was after high school, I went to a private Christian school and, um, started

[00:15:14] sneaking out to the gay clubs and now to the drag bars in long view, the drag bars.

[00:15:17] There was one in long view and, um, small town too.

[00:15:21] It's gross.

[00:15:21] Yeah.

[00:15:22] Yeah.

[00:15:22] Yeah.

[00:15:22] We had a place called, we had a place called decisions and there was one.

[00:15:27] I went there once.

[00:15:27] Yeah.

[00:15:27] And prior to that, it was called choices.

[00:15:29] They didn't have, they didn't have many options is what I'm saying.

[00:15:32] And, but the, like, I remember right after that, I started experimenting with makeup back

[00:15:37] then.

[00:15:38] There was a lot more like Bowie, like androgyny, um, around the time whenever like Jeffrey

[00:15:42] star was getting bigger.

[00:15:43] And I started taking like backdoor hormones.

[00:15:45] Like I was transitioning and wanted to be seen as a woman full time.

[00:15:51] Um, I was working at hot topic and I would always come in like baby doll dresses and no

[00:15:55] one questioned it.

[00:15:55] And then one day I figured out that I could just be in the middle.

[00:16:00] I didn't know that that was an option.

[00:16:01] And so I'm, there's a lot of non-binary people who want to be seen as neither.

[00:16:06] And I'm more fluid than that.

[00:16:09] I go back and forth.

[00:16:10] You feel female.

[00:16:11] Yeah.

[00:16:12] What you just wanted.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:13] But you like your penis.

[00:16:15] Yeah.

[00:16:15] I mean, I, I think it's fine.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:17] And then like, um, one of my big, you said you think it's fun.

[00:16:20] Yeah.

[00:16:21] I think it's fun.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:22] It is a fun time.

[00:16:23] I mean, there are so many, there are so many, uh, trans women that I know that want to keep

[00:16:28] their penis for one reason or another.

[00:16:30] I know many too.

[00:16:30] Yeah.

[00:16:30] And they're like, no, I'm, I'm changing, but I'm on top.

[00:16:33] Yeah.

[00:16:34] I mean like, and the thing is too, is that like right now I'm on a TRT, like, so I've done

[00:16:38] like estrogen and like that, and that was where backdoor moans, please go to a doctor

[00:16:42] to get your moans.

[00:16:43] And, but now like, but now I'm taking like testosterone and I, I was really worried that

[00:16:48] it would make me feel like less feminine or less non-binary because that's just how

[00:16:51] I feel.

[00:16:52] And then like, whenever I first started.

[00:16:54] But you're doing testosterone for what?

[00:16:55] For your body build?

[00:16:55] Yeah.

[00:16:56] Yeah.

[00:16:56] Just for, um, building my body where I want it to be.

[00:16:59] Yeah.

[00:16:59] Just to be able to build my body where I want it to be.

[00:17:02] Like I do like.

[00:17:03] Yeah.

[00:17:03] And, and the thing is, I was worried about that.

[00:17:05] I like to experiment with different things like that.

[00:17:07] And so you like feeling like a female, but still looking masculine.

[00:17:10] Yeah.

[00:17:10] And, and, and whenever I started taking it and started kind of kicking in, I started

[00:17:14] thinking like, I felt less like a man and more like, like a female bodybuilder, like a lesbian

[00:17:22] bodybuilder.

[00:17:22] And that's, and that actually helped with my like gender euphoria.

[00:17:25] Yeah.

[00:17:26] It was, it's just.

[00:17:26] I mean, to each his own for sure.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:28] Or her.

[00:17:29] No, no, no, no, no.

[00:17:30] It's fine.

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:31] I hear it's one of those things where like.

[00:17:32] I mean, yeah.

[00:17:33] Oh yeah.

[00:17:33] No.

[00:17:33] Like a lot of, a lot of non-binary people, they like to be known as.

[00:17:36] Explain.

[00:17:37] Binary.

[00:17:38] Yeah.

[00:17:38] Yeah.

[00:17:38] So, you know, you have, you have the gender binary that is, uh, that we kind of grew up

[00:17:42] with.

[00:17:43] Specify.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:44] We have male and female.

[00:17:45] That's what we kind of grew up with.

[00:17:46] But in every culture there has been always a middle and that's more so between the ears

[00:17:52] rather than what's between your legs.

[00:17:54] Um.

[00:17:54] Okay.

[00:17:55] Touche.

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:56] And so whenever you don't really see yourself as either or, because gender is not only like

[00:18:04] your body wise, it's also how society.

[00:18:07] So you're not worried about the sexual parts.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] It's, it's what society kind of like dictates is gender.

[00:18:12] Like pink is for girls.

[00:18:14] So it's almost innocence if you think about it.

[00:18:16] Yeah.

[00:18:17] Bi.

[00:18:17] Yeah.

[00:18:18] But not.

[00:18:19] Yeah.

[00:18:19] Because you don't care.

[00:18:20] You can be either or you can be none.

[00:18:22] If it makes it easier to think it's bi.

[00:18:25] Yeah.

[00:18:25] I mean.

[00:18:26] But because you, you're talking to a broad group here.

[00:18:29] Oh yeah.

[00:18:30] Broad spectrum.

[00:18:30] So like binary would mean bi in a sense that you don't care either or you just try to find

[00:18:36] the best in the situation or love.

[00:18:38] Yeah.

[00:18:39] That's the, well like that's more of like the non because the binary is, is the societal

[00:18:44] creation of two.

[00:18:45] And that's what they want.

[00:18:46] And that's what people have like kind of bestowed upon us as a society.

[00:18:50] And the non is saying like, I'm not one side or the other.

[00:18:55] There's a huge spectrum.

[00:18:57] Yeah.

[00:18:57] I'm, I kind of just do what I feel like I want to do.

[00:19:00] A lot of non-binary people, they want to go by they, them.

[00:19:03] I did that for a while and I didn't feel like I, I'm so confused on the pronouns.

[00:19:08] Yeah.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:09] I mean, it's a lot of new stuff.

[00:19:11] We grew up with the shit out of me.

[00:19:13] We grew up with like a very rigid, I used to be a preacher.

[00:19:16] Like, so I had a very rigid.

[00:19:18] What?

[00:19:18] Yeah.

[00:19:18] Church of Christ.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:20] I mean, I'm ordained.

[00:19:21] I could do weddings.

[00:19:21] Oh yeah.

[00:19:22] Yeah.

[00:19:22] Oh, I'm still ordained.

[00:19:24] I've done, I've done many gay weddings, many minerals.

[00:19:27] Oh yeah.

[00:19:27] Yeah.

[00:19:28] And a straight wedding too.

[00:19:29] Yeah.

[00:19:29] I haven't done a straight wedding.

[00:19:31] I, I did technically do.

[00:19:32] Imagine a gay man and I did a straight wedding.

[00:19:34] Yeah.

[00:19:35] I mean.

[00:19:35] It was for one of my best friends.

[00:19:36] Yeah.

[00:19:37] But the thing is.

[00:19:38] Maria actually, if you're listening.

[00:19:39] Oh, Maria.

[00:19:39] Okay.

[00:19:40] Yeah.

[00:19:40] All the, uh, all the marriages that I've done.

[00:19:42] Man, I was embarrassed as fuck.

[00:19:43] It sucked.

[00:19:43] I was drunk.

[00:19:44] It was terrible.

[00:19:45] And I'm sorry.

[00:19:46] I've, I've done weddings drunk.

[00:19:48] I, uh, one of my jokes that I say on stage is, um, I've done many gay weddings and many

[00:19:52] gay funerals.

[00:19:53] The, the gay weddings mostly failed, but the funerals major success.

[00:19:59] I've never done a funeral.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] I, uh, I've done a few.

[00:20:02] It's worth it.

[00:20:03] Nursing wise, of course, like I've never done the funeral, but I have talked to families

[00:20:05] and you know, I've dealt with death, but I've never done a funeral.

[00:20:08] Like I've done a wedding.

[00:20:09] Yeah.

[00:20:09] A lot of my, a lot of my drag.

[00:20:11] I think the reason why I'm asked to do funerals a lot is because my drag and just my character

[00:20:16] and the story behind me, deaths has surrounded me like ever since I was a kid.

[00:20:21] And so I kind of embrace it.

[00:20:22] I embrace the idea of it to bring it into life.

[00:20:25] And I, I did a funeral for a friend.

[00:20:30] I didn't officiate it, but I did go to, I, I was requested by her husband to come to

[00:20:35] the church, which is my first time coming to church ever since I quit the church in drag.

[00:20:39] And I went to this and it was a very conservative church.

[00:20:43] And dude, I got kicked out of one.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] Tell me about it.

[00:20:46] No joke.

[00:20:46] I'm going to hear this.

[00:20:47] I would love to hear that.

[00:20:47] I'm one of the straightest guys, the straightest gay guys that I know.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:51] Uh, that I meet honestly, except my boyfriend now, like it just went off.

[00:20:55] Oh no.

[00:20:55] Okay.

[00:20:56] Yeah.

[00:20:56] No, my boyfriend now we're both pretty straight, but either way I was with the boyfriend at

[00:20:59] the time and then we went into this church that my grandma, mind you, set me up and she's

[00:21:03] totally not for it.

[00:21:05] Oh yeah.

[00:21:05] Yeah.

[00:21:05] My girl.

[00:21:06] She sent me to this church to watch this, uh, play.

[00:21:08] I don't remember what it was, but it was when I first moved to Dallas.

[00:21:13] Was it Dallas?

[00:21:14] Maybe.

[00:21:14] Uh, 2000.

[00:21:15] It really doesn't matter.

[00:21:21] Yeah.

[00:21:21] And the guy that I was seeing and me, and I'm the straightest looking of them all for

[00:21:26] sure.

[00:21:27] Yeah.

[00:21:29] But they outed us because, you know, we're the gay groups.

[00:21:33] They love doing it.

[00:21:33] Yeah.

[00:21:34] But it was supposed to be a gay friendly and this is when everything was changing and it

[00:21:38] was some, some play or something my grandma had to buy tickets to and she literally bought

[00:21:42] them for me.

[00:21:43] I went in there and they singled us out.

[00:21:46] They singled us out to where they started justifying why we shouldn't be in there because

[00:21:51] we're gay.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] This, this and that.

[00:21:54] Well, lo and behold me, I stand up and I, I grew a Baptist.

[00:21:58] Yeah.

[00:21:59] I know a little bit of the Bible.

[00:22:00] Oh, you're going to hell.

[00:22:01] I grew up church at Clarice, baby.

[00:22:03] I'll keep you a spot, man.

[00:22:05] Exactly.

[00:22:05] I like it warm.

[00:22:06] Exactly.

[00:22:07] No, but I, I stood up and I called them out and of course I did kind of go a little

[00:22:12] too much.

[00:22:13] It was the most disrespected I've ever felt in a church.

[00:22:16] It was really interesting.

[00:22:17] I had a completely different experience at this church because again, I grew up in a

[00:22:20] very like very rigid church.

[00:22:23] And so going to this big church for my friend's funeral, this was the first time.

[00:22:29] Did you dress up for it?

[00:22:30] Yeah.

[00:22:30] We, we all dressed in drag.

[00:22:32] There was a, one of my friends, Tequila Mockingbird.

[00:22:35] More than you?

[00:22:36] More, more people than you?

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:37] Well, like one side was like, she had one side that was her, like her adopted family.

[00:22:44] And then the other side, which was her queer family.

[00:22:47] And this is the first time that we ever like met as a group was for her funeral.

[00:22:50] And her adopted family did not know that she was a burlesque performer and was doing drag

[00:22:58] shows.

[00:22:58] And there was, it was a big part of her life because she was so scared.

[00:23:01] And the first time that her family really, her extended family really knew that like she

[00:23:06] did all of this was whenever we showed up dressed like birthday clowns.

[00:23:10] And one of my friends, Tequila Mockingbird, I have this in my book.

[00:23:13] Oh yeah, no, she's great.

[00:23:15] She, she used to host an orgy for her birthday every year called, it was called Tequila Fest.

[00:23:20] They had a, they had a bounce house.

[00:23:22] They had a bounce house covered in lube.

[00:23:25] Is that here?

[00:23:25] Yeah.

[00:23:26] Not anymore.

[00:23:27] It was in Plano.

[00:23:28] I just want to, I just want to go.

[00:23:29] Oh, I brought my friend.

[00:23:30] I wouldn't entertain.

[00:23:30] I wouldn't, I wouldn't join.

[00:23:32] Yeah.

[00:23:32] Well, that's the thing.

[00:23:33] It was, it was mostly like, it wasn't like, it was a queer orgy.

[00:23:37] Great.

[00:23:37] Oh yeah.

[00:23:37] It was, it was a queer orgy quote unquote, but it was more like, you know, you know, it was more

[00:23:42] hetero at the time.

[00:23:43] The ones where the wives were at home.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:45] And I don't want to say that like, but, but that's the thing is like most of the guys

[00:23:48] that most of the guys that like showed up, we're not looking for someone like me.

[00:23:52] And yeah, no, like I think Ron Jeremy came to one of the shows.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:57] He was kicked out immediately.

[00:23:59] We're named all of that.

[00:24:00] Yeah.

[00:24:00] No, he was, he was kicked out.

[00:24:02] But, um, but yeah, like we, we ended up, there was also a pool full of Orbeez and lube.

[00:24:07] And I remember I took my, my drag sister.

[00:24:09] Yeah.

[00:24:10] I took my drag sister to, it was her first time and like the food was great.

[00:24:14] So, and it was a great party and like, you know, booze, whatever.

[00:24:17] We're having a good time.

[00:24:17] We're sitting in the pool of Orbeez and we're sitting there and we're kind of realizing that

[00:24:21] like, we're the only like gay dudes, gay chicks, whatever at the, yeah.

[00:24:27] Yeah.

[00:24:27] At the, like, you know, the only ones like dressed, like, you know, horny twinks, like

[00:24:32] the ones being stared at.

[00:24:33] Yeah.

[00:24:33] And like, well, it's, it's not that they were staring at it.

[00:24:36] It's because it's just the fact that like no one was interested in us in that way that

[00:24:40] we were interested in.

[00:24:41] So we're sitting there drinking like two shiners and we're sitting in the pool of Orbeez alone.

[00:24:44] And then like my friend, like just said, Ooh, caught one.

[00:24:47] I got to go.

[00:24:48] She goes, one of the Orbeez went up her butt.

[00:24:50] And she goes, I got to go.

[00:24:52] How does that happen?

[00:24:54] Lube, Orbeez, a whole pool.

[00:24:56] The odds are stacked against you.

[00:24:58] A loose blood hole?

[00:24:59] Yeah.

[00:24:59] Yeah.

[00:25:00] Yeah.

[00:25:00] Well, I mean, they're very slippery.

[00:25:01] No offense whoever he's talking about.

[00:25:02] Yeah.

[00:25:03] Oh, I've done way worse.

[00:25:04] I got stories.

[00:25:05] Let me tell you.

[00:25:06] Don't we all?

[00:25:07] But, uh, but yeah, tequila, tequila, you know,

[00:25:09] You want to hear some Bradens?

[00:25:09] I'll tell you.

[00:25:10] I mean, there's not a lot.

[00:25:11] But back on the funeral, tequila, she, uh, she also was at the funeral like, uh, and she

[00:25:16] runs like a porn company.

[00:25:17] So there's like porn actors who are also like in this church.

[00:25:19] And tequila, I remember, I will never forget seeing her walk in front of me.

[00:25:24] And we're all like very emotional.

[00:25:25] It's my friend's funeral.

[00:25:26] And she walks past me and I can tell that she, she was wearing, I believe like, I want

[00:25:32] to say it was latex, but maybe, maybe I'm just rethinking it.

[00:25:36] But she was wearing this like very revealing dress in this church, tits out.

[00:25:40] And she looks at me and I could tell that her makeup that was quote unquote running was

[00:25:46] painted on to make it look like it was running.

[00:25:48] Ryan?

[00:25:49] Yeah.

[00:25:49] And she looks at me and she looks at me and she goes, hmm.

[00:25:52] I busted out laughing.

[00:25:54] It was so funny.

[00:25:54] It's all camp.

[00:25:56] It's all a joke.

[00:25:57] Like, and you know that like my friend, my friend Jet would sit there and be like, you

[00:26:01] stupid bitch, you know?

[00:26:02] So change it up a bit.

[00:26:03] Oh yeah.

[00:26:03] Sorry.

[00:26:04] All right.

[00:26:05] So we're going to wait on.

[00:26:06] Um, when did you know that this was who you were or when did you start doing these kinds

[00:26:11] of things or dressing this way or transitioning?

[00:26:16] Um, it's all one big strange alien amalgamation.

[00:26:22] You know, I grew up again, I grew up in the church.

[00:26:25] So how did you grow up like family wise first?

[00:26:27] It was conservative.

[00:26:28] It was very conservative.

[00:26:29] Very deep East Texas.

[00:26:31] Um, grew up hunting, fishing, football, baseball, basketball.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:35] Yeah.

[00:26:35] And, um, and I tried my best.

[00:26:37] I really did.

[00:26:38] I mean, I'm still a boy.

[00:26:39] I'm probably one of the most masculine gay men I know.

[00:26:41] Yeah.

[00:26:41] Occasionally, like the thing is occasionally I can, I can refer to myself as a dude again.

[00:26:45] That's the fluidity of it.

[00:26:46] You know, um, I have a very hairy chest and I'm not going to run away from it because it

[00:26:49] hurts to shave.

[00:26:50] And, uh, but I, I grew up like, I grew up in, uh, on a tree farm, like a pine tree farm,

[00:26:57] which I'm allergic to pine trees, which was hilarious, but, but just 200 acres of woods.

[00:27:01] So age wise, when did you know this is what you wanted?

[00:27:04] To do.

[00:27:05] Ever since I could talk, my mom like tells me all the time that I, yeah, I, yeah.

[00:27:12] Like there's pictures of me, like as a kid, like dressing in like women's clothes.

[00:27:15] You have sisters?

[00:27:16] My sister.

[00:27:16] Yeah.

[00:27:16] My older sister who, um, we are so much closer now, but we hated each other until we were

[00:27:21] about like in high school.

[00:27:23] We were awful to each other.

[00:27:24] And I was my sister too.

[00:27:26] We're four years apart.

[00:27:26] And now we're like, ever since the pandemic, we've been through so much.

[00:27:29] And so like, we're, we're best friends at this point.

[00:27:32] But, um, I was always like stealing her clothes.

[00:27:34] So what about, what about like school in high school?

[00:27:36] Like, were you doing that in school?

[00:27:37] Like, were you?

[00:27:38] Yeah.

[00:27:38] Um, Christian school was around the Christian school.

[00:27:41] Yeah.

[00:27:41] Yeah.

[00:27:42] I, um, yeah, it was a private Christian school, uh, LCS.

[00:27:45] It was awful place, but I, uh, went there and graduated out of spite because around eighth

[00:27:51] grade, I started really being into goth music.

[00:27:54] And so I wanted to dress as freaky as possible because it was easier to be made fun of for

[00:27:59] being weird than for being gay.

[00:28:01] Right.

[00:28:01] Because people don't attach that to your personality.

[00:28:03] Like if you made it weird, it wasn't so weird being called weird.

[00:28:06] Yeah.

[00:28:07] Yeah.

[00:28:07] It's like, well, yes, it's very obvious that I'm weird.

[00:28:09] So you might as well.

[00:28:10] And then, um, I remember one of the moments that like kind of changed for like my gender

[00:28:15] journey was, and I talked about this in my Dallas voice article.

[00:28:18] You say gendered.

[00:28:19] Yeah.

[00:28:19] It's, yeah.

[00:28:20] You're still keeping your parts.

[00:28:22] Yeah.

[00:28:22] I mean, and the thing is, is that like everybody's journey is different.

[00:28:25] I'm just confused on it.

[00:28:26] Sometimes, sometimes in your journey.

[00:28:28] Gendered journey means you're a female, but you have a cock.

[00:28:32] Well, yeah.

[00:28:33] Yeah.

[00:28:33] I'm just.

[00:28:34] Yeah.

[00:28:34] Yeah.

[00:28:34] It's, and the thing is you got to break down those, uh, those, those preconceived ideas

[00:28:39] that you were taught growing up.

[00:28:40] Like, and gender doesn't mean what you have.

[00:28:42] Yeah.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:43] I mean, the old thing that's kind of like changing now is, uh, that people used to say

[00:28:48] is, uh, like I said earlier, sex is what's between your legs.

[00:28:51] Gender is what's between your ears.

[00:28:53] Touche.

[00:28:54] Yeah.

[00:28:54] And so, because like the thing is, if you say.

[00:28:57] That makes.

[00:28:58] Yeah.

[00:28:58] Touche.

[00:28:58] Yeah.

[00:28:59] I mean, like there are some, there are some people who are, um, I remember, uh, in one of

[00:29:03] your episodes, the word hermaphrodite was used.

[00:29:05] We don't use that term anymore.

[00:29:07] Yeah.

[00:29:07] Um, people don't know.

[00:29:08] Yeah.

[00:29:08] We, yeah, yeah.

[00:29:09] It's updated.

[00:29:10] Yeah.

[00:29:10] I've been a nurse 14 years.

[00:29:12] And it's very quickly updating too.

[00:29:13] And so it's very hard.

[00:29:15] And so that's why I'm a lot more patient.

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:17] It's a lot more.

[00:29:18] And the thing is, there's so, there's so many more people.

[00:29:20] It's not just genitals that make someone intersex.

[00:29:24] Um, there's people in my family who like won't admit the fact that they're intersex, but

[00:29:28] they have like different insides that are closer to the opposite sex, you know, even

[00:29:34] chromosomally you can be intersex.

[00:29:37] And so like these kinds of terms, if you say that like women are, uh, women are people who

[00:29:44] can make babies.

[00:29:45] Well, some women can't make babies like naturally.

[00:29:47] And so what does that mean?

[00:29:49] Then women are, um, people with vaginas.

[00:29:52] Well, sometimes people are intersex and it doesn't look the same and you can't like differentiate

[00:29:57] that.

[00:29:57] And then it turns into women wear pink and it's more societal stuff and how we present

[00:30:02] and it's all just like this weird game.

[00:30:04] And so it's a lot more fluid than people think that it has to be because again, I grew up

[00:30:11] in the church and once I started breaking, I grew up Baptist.

[00:30:14] Yeah.

[00:30:14] Whenever I grew up another story with that one, I had like all these rigid ideas.

[00:30:18] And so I started breaking those things down and whenever, and you know, this as well,

[00:30:22] whenever you start breaking down one idea, the others start to fall.

[00:30:28] The whole shelf falls.

[00:30:29] They trickle, yeah.

[00:30:30] And so, and whenever you're presented with new ideas after that, you're constantly questioning

[00:30:34] it.

[00:30:35] And there's so much more, it's so much more abroad than you realize.

[00:30:38] Yeah.

[00:30:39] There's, there's a whole other world outside of the church and you want to constantly explore.

[00:30:43] And so those values and respects and morals from the church are okay.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:47] I love the idea of fellowship.

[00:30:49] They don't have to be structured in that one line.

[00:30:52] There's more to it.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:53] And I'm not a religious person per se nowadays, you know, like my art, my art is my religion.

[00:30:59] I tried really, really hard.

[00:31:01] And one day I was, whenever I was sneaking out to the gay club, I, I, I went there, I

[00:31:08] believe it was 2009 or 2010.

[00:31:10] Oh yeah.

[00:31:11] I was, um, what year did you graduate?

[00:31:13] 2012.

[00:31:14] So it was like freshman, sophomore year.

[00:31:16] 12.

[00:31:16] Yeah.

[00:31:17] What are you like?

[00:31:18] 25?

[00:31:19] And I have one working knee.

[00:31:20] So boom, boom.

[00:31:21] Yeah.

[00:31:22] Yeah.

[00:31:22] It's this one too.

[00:31:23] It's this one too.

[00:31:24] Yeah.

[00:31:25] They almost took my leg in 2022.

[00:31:27] Oh yeah.

[00:31:27] Yeah.

[00:31:28] Um, I, I had a, I had like a little tiff with the producers of Dragula whenever I was,

[00:31:32] I was about to be on a season and, um, I can talk about it now.

[00:31:35] So many contracts that you can't do that stuff.

[00:31:37] NDAs baby.

[00:31:38] And there's so, there's so many issues with it that I have with the show, but I'm going

[00:31:40] to pause you right there.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:41] A lot of fun.

[00:31:42] I do music as you know, one of the things he's, he couldn't always hear, hear me sing

[00:31:46] because I competed on different shows.

[00:31:47] And one of the things that I told him was like, there's a lot of NDAs that you can't release

[00:31:51] that music because it's owned by somebody else.

[00:31:53] And even if you're like just auditioning, the things that you present to them, they want

[00:31:57] to keep that audition for later.

[00:31:59] Well, that's the same with my modeling photos.

[00:32:01] Same with my modeling photos.

[00:32:03] I have to sign off for them to be able, or for me to not use the photos that I've given

[00:32:08] them.

[00:32:08] And fucking do it.

[00:32:10] And also like if you, one of the things with like Dragula and drag race is that those contracts,

[00:32:15] especially whenever you're just auditioning are so restrictive.

[00:32:18] And so if you, even if like the contract runs out, if you still want to come back and try

[00:32:24] to audition again.

[00:32:25] So sing a different song.

[00:32:26] That that's the thing.

[00:32:27] There you go.

[00:32:27] One, like in between the cheaters episode.

[00:32:30] Yeah.

[00:32:30] He was on cheaters.

[00:32:31] You and everybody else in Dallas.

[00:32:33] Braden was on cheaters.

[00:32:34] Go watch that.

[00:32:35] So was bleach and Raquel.

[00:32:36] He got hit a couple of times.

[00:32:37] Yeah.

[00:32:38] You know, it's funny.

[00:32:39] I watched a cheaters episode and I related, I related because I was young and we're the

[00:32:44] same age, but I remember seeing it.

[00:32:46] And of course, like I saw the whole episode and I didn't meet Braden until many years after

[00:32:50] and it just clicked like, bitch, I saw you.

[00:32:52] But when I saw it, she's like, yeah, tell me how you like it in the ass.

[00:32:56] And I was like, oh shit, I felt that like that's on the deal.

[00:32:58] But lo and behold, this friend here, he had a cheater.

[00:33:01] Y'all go watch it.

[00:33:02] Oh no, I was about to, I was about to marry.

[00:33:04] I had two high school sweethearts.

[00:33:06] I mean, I've been with girls, but honestly, like I have two kids.

[00:33:10] Yeah.

[00:33:11] I could easily have had two kids.

[00:33:13] I adopted my son.

[00:33:14] You almost met him.

[00:33:16] He didn't, he didn't want to come though.

[00:33:17] He's like, oh yeah.

[00:33:17] I'm, I'm not, I'm not, my comedy is not kid friendly with things that I talk about.

[00:33:22] No, but this kid would love your comedy.

[00:33:23] This kid would love your comedy.

[00:33:24] The way I parent, like I don't let my kids be naive.

[00:33:27] They hear quite a bit.

[00:33:28] Okay.

[00:33:29] Like, yeah.

[00:33:29] They're very fluent on, he even knows about you.

[00:33:32] We talked about it.

[00:33:33] Yeah.

[00:33:33] I showed him pictures.

[00:33:34] I, there's a lot of like.

[00:33:35] He knows about getting it chopped off.

[00:33:37] Like, he knows about it at all.

[00:33:38] I don't get, well, actually, technically you're not getting it chopped off.

[00:33:41] You're getting it inverted.

[00:33:42] You're getting it tucked in.

[00:33:42] Yeah.

[00:33:42] There you go.

[00:33:43] And we talked about it.

[00:33:44] It's just like a super tough.

[00:33:45] Honestly, like this, and I'm going to, I'm going to make a little tidbit.

[00:33:48] I forgot what I was just talking about, but literally the other day.

[00:33:50] So my son might actually turn out being a girl or whatever.

[00:33:53] I don't fucking know.

[00:33:54] The amount of times that I see someone's kid and I'm like, there's something there.

[00:33:56] My issue is, and this is, I'm going to stick with it.

[00:33:59] It is what it is.

[00:34:00] So I'm very open.

[00:34:02] You know, you can be who you want to be, whatever.

[00:34:04] Yeah.

[00:34:05] But your mind has to develop enough to where you can get to that.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:08] So my son the other day, and I'm very open with him and everything.

[00:34:12] He came home with this lipstick looking thing.

[00:34:14] And I'm like, where the fuck did you get this shit?

[00:34:16] You know, like, who'd you steal it from?

[00:34:17] This is a girl's lipstick.

[00:34:18] Yeah.

[00:34:18] He's like, no, dad, this is a, we own or we earn points, which gets money.

[00:34:23] And then you go buy these things from the store.

[00:34:26] Oh, that's sweet.

[00:34:27] But it's a chapstick, but it looked like a fucking lipstick.

[00:34:30] Oh, like a lip balm, like a tinted lip balm.

[00:34:32] But you rolled it up like a fucking lipstick.

[00:34:33] Yeah.

[00:34:34] I'm sorry.

[00:34:35] I'm, yeah, whatever.

[00:34:37] All right.

[00:34:37] So I'm like, dude, you stole this from a girl.

[00:34:39] Like, whatever.

[00:34:41] He's like, no, dad, I bought it.

[00:34:42] All right, cool.

[00:34:44] I'm like, well, it's a girl's lipstick.

[00:34:45] And he's like, well, you got to let me be who I want to be, dad.

[00:34:48] What if I want to be a girl?

[00:34:49] Yeah.

[00:34:49] And he's like fluent and he'll, like, I talk about it so much that he understands.

[00:34:54] So we had to have the conversation of like, if you turn into a girl, you get it chopped

[00:34:57] off, tucked in and it doesn't grow back.

[00:34:59] Yeah.

[00:35:00] I mean, that's, that's the thing.

[00:35:02] That's, that's something like the, my thing is not to interrupt you, but just to finish.

[00:35:06] My thing is, is like, fine.

[00:35:07] If you want to be that, of course, I'm going to accept it all the way full shape and form,

[00:35:11] but not to disrespect anybody that lets their kids do this before, but my kid cannot

[00:35:15] make those changes before he's 18.

[00:35:18] That's, it's understandable.

[00:35:19] The thing is whenever people, there's like a big conversation about like, about gender

[00:35:24] affirming care for kids and it's constantly misconstrued as always surgical or medical

[00:35:31] gender affirming care.

[00:35:32] Whenever like I refer to you.

[00:35:34] Yeah.

[00:35:34] Like whenever.

[00:35:34] Yeah, exactly.

[00:35:35] But you're a female.

[00:35:36] Yeah.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:37] It's a, it's sorry.

[00:35:38] I'm so sorry.

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:40] No, it's like most of the time, whenever people refer to gender affirming care for kids,

[00:35:44] it's usually changing a name, trying it out.

[00:35:47] Like it's using different pronouns.

[00:35:49] It doesn't allowing them to go see a therapist and talk with a medical professional.

[00:35:55] Communication is.

[00:35:55] Yeah.

[00:35:56] Yeah.

[00:35:56] It's okay.

[00:35:57] Having that communication.

[00:35:58] It's okay until it's okay.

[00:35:59] Yeah.

[00:35:59] And like, and the thing is to like puberty blockers, those are completely reversible.

[00:36:03] Oh, you can't.

[00:36:03] They're reversible.

[00:36:04] They're, they're actually reversible.

[00:36:05] And the thing is puberty blockers, they were invented for cisgender kids to keep them

[00:36:11] from too much puberty.

[00:36:13] But in the medical sense, do you know what that actually does to your body and then in

[00:36:16] turn fucks it up worse?

[00:36:18] Yeah.

[00:36:19] So I'm just not okay with it until it's okay.

[00:36:21] Yeah.

[00:36:21] No, I get it.

[00:36:22] His brain needs to develop more.

[00:36:23] And I'm not saying that my son will ever be that way, but he, but, but I'm saying that

[00:36:27] he's not naive and I talked to him enough about this stuff that he's open-minded enough

[00:36:32] to know that it's okay to make the decision if he wants.

[00:36:35] And a journey is something that like you go through together.

[00:36:37] It's not just him.

[00:36:38] A thousand percent.

[00:36:39] Yeah.

[00:36:41] There's just gotta be a time that there, there's a time for change and there's a time

[00:36:44] for communication.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:46] No, I totally understand that.

[00:36:47] Like, and the thing is too, is that like, I wasn't, I wasn't out to my parents, um, for

[00:36:54] I think until, until I was in 12th grade because also it was, um, I could have been expelled

[00:37:00] from my school if I came out, um, because it's not a government funded and so they can do

[00:37:05] whatever they want.

[00:37:06] And so they, uh, and we had to sign a, uh, an agreement that said every year it was,

[00:37:11] uh, I think it was called a morality clause.

[00:37:13] It said like, I will not participate in homosexuality.

[00:37:16] Like that's the, that's the terminology that they used.

[00:37:18] And so like, uh, one time I actually got caught by my Bible teacher.

[00:37:22] I had, I met my first drag queen at decisions and, uh, she wrote, I was, I want to say like

[00:37:29] 15, 16 and, uh, I, uh, she wrote her name and number on the card.

[00:37:36] Never saw her again.

[00:37:37] Don't even know what happened to her, but I kept that card and I would just look at it

[00:37:41] whenever I'd be in school.

[00:37:42] Cause it was like a prison to me and I would, yeah, the school.

[00:37:45] And so I would just look at that card and like, think about my future, like as a performer,

[00:37:49] cause I always wanted to be one.

[00:37:50] And, um, this teacher, um, yeah, this teacher like found the card.

[00:37:55] He, it fell out of my wallet or something.

[00:37:56] And, um, he threatened to expel me.

[00:37:59] And then I grabbed the card and I said, did you make copies?

[00:38:01] He's like, no.

[00:38:02] And I said, then you're never going to see it again.

[00:38:03] And I walked out at that point.

[00:38:04] I was getting a little Nelly, but he, um, me and him had a terrible.

[00:38:10] Like rapport.

[00:38:11] And he was constantly like trying to show it was, he was our Bible teacher as well.

[00:38:14] So he's showing us like all these propaganda films that make gay people look like, you know,

[00:38:19] fascists and I can relate in the sense of going out Baptist.

[00:38:23] I've got a story that I would not put on here for respect to my family and my mom.

[00:38:27] But, um, yeah, I grew up in a family that disowned quite a bit because of my actions or my, who I am.

[00:38:35] Yeah.

[00:38:36] Yeah.

[00:38:37] It's, um, it was one of those things where I lost a, you know, the grave side of my family on my mom's side,

[00:38:42] which is my actual last name on my mom's side.

[00:38:44] So what, if you don't want me asking, how did, how did you come up with, with your stage name?

[00:38:48] Yeah.

[00:38:48] What is your stage name?

[00:38:49] Yeah.

[00:38:49] Uh, May May Graves.

[00:38:50] May May was a nickname that I grew up with.

[00:38:52] It's a short for my government name that I don't like to tell people.

[00:38:55] Okay.

[00:38:55] And then my last name on my mom's side is my mom's maiden name is Graves.

[00:38:59] Yeah.

[00:38:59] I'll tell you after the show.

[00:39:00] Yeah.

[00:39:01] Absolutely.

[00:39:02] Yeah.

[00:39:02] I don't really use the name.

[00:39:03] Uh, May.

[00:39:04] May.

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:04] Just, uh, what if they don't call you May May?

[00:39:07] What do you go by?

[00:39:08] Just May.

[00:39:08] Yeah.

[00:39:09] It's usually like people who like know me personally just call me May.

[00:39:11] Okay.

[00:39:12] Um, it's, you have pretty great eyes.

[00:39:14] Thank you.

[00:39:15] Yeah.

[00:39:15] Says his grandma.

[00:39:16] That's one of the, like, uh, I really love for you.

[00:39:20] I would love to, that's one of the things that always, what I loved about, what I loved

[00:39:23] about you is, and I've told you this in person before is the stage presence because

[00:39:27] I love the actuality.

[00:39:29] Everybody can perform.

[00:39:30] You can learn it.

[00:39:31] You can act it out and you can be an actor and you can perform it.

[00:39:33] You can do it.

[00:39:34] Um, but when you have that stage presence, there's certain people that do and don't have

[00:39:40] it.

[00:39:41] Uh, and as I've told you many times, you have that presence when you watch a show.

[00:39:46] And I've seen many shows of hers.

[00:39:47] When you watch that show, you feel engaged.

[00:39:49] You just like, it's the stage presence and it's just like, just, it's killer.

[00:39:55] And where do you normally play?

[00:39:57] Like, um, I've never seen you.

[00:40:00] Yeah, I do.

[00:40:00] Um, I do J.R.'s on Mondays and Tuesdays.

[00:40:03] Uh, they, they have us.

[00:40:04] Yeah.

[00:40:05] They have us as employees, but, uh, we act as independent contractors.

[00:40:08] And so like, they'll, they'll, we give them our schedule of availability.

[00:40:11] And so like, we work all around town, but, um, and then they'll just schedule us for,

[00:40:16] you know, you get this Tuesday.

[00:40:18] Do you have somewhere that is post where you're going to be?

[00:40:19] Yeah.

[00:40:19] Yeah.

[00:40:20] I need to be better about my website whenever it comes to my, uh, schedule.

[00:40:23] Uh, maymaygraves.com.

[00:40:25] And, uh, and I need to, which she produces and writes her own music.

[00:40:30] And like I said, the Gaga stuff that's not, this is Maymay that Maymay did in 20,

[00:40:35] fucking 20.

[00:40:35] Like, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:36] 2018 is when I came out.

[00:40:38] 2018, yes.

[00:40:38] Yeah.

[00:40:38] My first album.

[00:40:39] I, well, the thing is too, is, um, I have technically, so I have one album, one studio

[00:40:44] album that's out.

[00:40:45] I did have a punk band when I was in high school.

[00:40:48] Um, we wanted to be like androgynous, like Bowie, we were doing drag and we didn't even

[00:40:51] know it.

[00:40:52] And so we, I shaved off my eyebrows, quit preaching.

[00:40:55] I told him that today.

[00:40:56] I said, May doesn't have eyebrows.

[00:40:59] She may or may not have drew them on.

[00:41:02] I don't.

[00:41:03] I'm curious about coming.

[00:41:05] Yeah.

[00:41:05] He's like, is he going to dress up?

[00:41:06] Cause he's scared of clowns.

[00:41:07] Oh yeah.

[00:41:08] No.

[00:41:08] Well, I used to, I, I used to actually, I used to have a terrible, terrible fear of clowns

[00:41:14] when I was a kid.

[00:41:15] Yeah.

[00:41:15] I had a, I had a bad experience.

[00:41:17] I think he would have enjoyed meeting you.

[00:41:18] He's like, he's going to dress up.

[00:41:19] And when we said, no, he didn't.

[00:41:20] No, I was like, he's not.

[00:41:21] I met a, I met a scary clown.

[00:41:23] He was a, he was a drunk, uh, scare actor at Six Flags.

[00:41:26] And he was like, berating me, trying to scare me when I was a kid.

[00:41:28] And then actually like, I don't want to say made him like, you're going to hold him down,

[00:41:32] but he's like, Hey, come check this movie out and not tell you what it is.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:36] When I put him in the shower, if I stepped out the room or out the bathroom, he'd jump

[00:41:39] out.

[00:41:40] Yeah.

[00:41:40] He wouldn't pee.

[00:41:41] He started peeing in the bed.

[00:41:42] Like, yeah, no, I, I had a nightmare.

[00:41:44] I took him to a school function, right?

[00:41:46] Last year.

[00:41:47] Walked through the hallway of a haunted house for the school.

[00:41:50] There's always a clown.

[00:41:51] A clown came out.

[00:41:52] Yeah.

[00:41:53] Like he crumbled into the floor and held my ankle.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:56] And that's, and that's the thing about like, I mean, I also have a journey with clowns because

[00:42:00] I, you know, cause I, I, I, until I was about like 14, 15, I had a debilitating like

[00:42:05] fear of clowns.

[00:42:06] Yes.

[00:42:07] No, like the same nightmares, nightmares.

[00:42:09] It sounds like it.

[00:42:10] And like also like growing up and like having delusions and stuff and like in hallucinations

[00:42:13] whenever I wake up and there's a clown like in my doorway.

[00:42:16] Yeah.

[00:42:16] And, and so like whenever I, whenever I was, I think I was like 14, 15, I like sat myself

[00:42:22] down for a summer and just kept rewatching like exposure therapy.

[00:42:26] Just keep rewatching Stephen King.

[00:42:27] So I just took my son trick or treating last week whenever Halloween was.

[00:42:31] Um, and there was some, uh, houses that had figurines as clowns.

[00:42:35] It wasn't a person, but, but they'd moved.

[00:42:37] They were machines.

[00:42:39] And he would make a whole huge you around industry and he knows how to get in the street,

[00:42:44] but you couldn't stop him because he, he wanted to walk around.

[00:42:46] If I saw anything at the end of the thing, I'm like, buddy, you know, what are you going

[00:42:51] to be next year?

[00:42:51] He's like, dad, I think I'm going to be a clown.

[00:42:53] Yeah.

[00:42:54] Like he wants to face this fear so bad.

[00:42:56] Taking that back is so important because, um, after, after I, after I watched it so many

[00:43:03] times, I mean, look at me now, I'm pretty much a clown and I, I, I immediately started working

[00:43:09] at, um, they couldn't afford a house, but it was a haunted corn maze in Jefferson, Texas.

[00:43:14] It was called terror on the bayou, but it was, it was a, it was a train ride.

[00:43:17] It was a haunted train ride and a corn maze.

[00:43:20] And I worked in the corn maze.

[00:43:21] Yeah, it was, it was trashy.

[00:43:24] They don't, there was a lot of liability concerns, so they shut it down.

[00:43:26] But I worked there for about two or three years and I was an evil clown.

[00:43:30] And really, yeah, yeah, I figured that I would just get into it.

[00:43:35] No, no.

[00:43:36] It, uh, in, in Jefferson, I went there like as a spectator whenever I first, before I started

[00:43:41] working there and I went with my high school girlfriend and she tripped and fell.

[00:43:46] And I was like, I know how this ends in the horror movie.

[00:43:48] So I'm not going back to help her.

[00:43:50] So I leaped over her and just left her in the corn maze.

[00:43:53] Oh, I love this bitch.

[00:43:54] Oh yeah.

[00:43:54] Yeah.

[00:43:55] And, but whenever I worked there, that same area, um, that was the clown area that year,

[00:43:59] whenever I first started working there.

[00:44:00] And there was a woman who I was so excited to scare because I could hear her at the very

[00:44:06] beginning of the corn maze.

[00:44:07] And she was like, there better not be any fucking clowns.

[00:44:08] There better not be.

[00:44:09] And I was like, I've, I've taken it.

[00:44:11] Let me dish it.

[00:44:11] So, so she starts coming up.

[00:44:13] I know she's coming up and she keeps talking about there better not be any clowns.

[00:44:16] And so she enters the clown area.

[00:44:17] Obviously there's going to be clowns.

[00:44:19] And then, so I, I finally jump out and like, you know, scream at her and then she is silent

[00:44:24] and she stares at me for a while.

[00:44:25] And then she holds out her hand to shake my hand.

[00:44:28] And then I awkwardly like shake her hand and she looks at me dead in the eyes and says,

[00:44:32] I just shat myself.

[00:44:35] And then she, and then she excused herself and walked through the corn into the swamp of

[00:44:41] East Texas.

[00:44:42] Yeah.

[00:44:42] And just left.

[00:44:43] I don't even know if she made it home.

[00:44:45] It was, it was a, it was a liability issue.

[00:44:50] So of course we have had the fabulous Maymay Graves here with us and we wanted to bring

[00:44:55] another special guest.

[00:44:57] We have the Miss Josephine O'Hara here.

[00:45:00] How are you baby love?

[00:45:01] I'm doing pretty good.

[00:45:03] Are you having me?

[00:45:04] Yeah.

[00:45:04] We've been excited about having you here.

[00:45:06] Yeah.

[00:45:06] How's your day been?

[00:45:08] Oh, you know, we're making costumes, doing the dream.

[00:45:12] I heard you're doing a wedding.

[00:45:13] Not for you.

[00:45:14] Yeah.

[00:45:15] One day.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:16] You know what?

[00:45:17] One day too.

[00:45:18] I felt that, you know, I said you and me both.

[00:45:20] I don't know about that one.

[00:45:21] Well, I might wear it.

[00:45:22] Some people are married more than others, but you know.

[00:45:25] Let me put this out there for my boyfriend.

[00:45:26] I'm size up.

[00:45:28] This would be like Cody's fifth marriage, y'all.

[00:45:30] You're a dick.

[00:45:31] No, it's not.

[00:45:32] Hey.

[00:45:32] I've been around.

[00:45:33] You know what?

[00:45:34] No, I'm kidding.

[00:45:35] You know what?

[00:45:36] Fifth or not is trial and error, bitch.

[00:45:39] I'm proud of you.

[00:45:40] You do you.

[00:45:41] It's a sacred bond between two people.

[00:45:46] It is.

[00:45:46] Or more.

[00:45:47] It depends on which part of the Bible you're reading.

[00:45:49] Touché, motherfucker.

[00:45:50] Touché.

[00:45:50] Yeah.

[00:45:51] Touché.

[00:45:52] We got into the throuples and everything else.

[00:45:55] Sometimes it takes more than one marriage to make it work.

[00:45:59] Sometimes they're dumbasses and don't know what they have.

[00:46:01] You know, I agree with that, but that's not my life.

[00:46:05] Never been married.

[00:46:07] Never?

[00:46:07] Me neither.

[00:46:08] I mean, but my longest relationship was nine years.

[00:46:11] Me too.

[00:46:12] And I've had like two, four-year relationships.

[00:46:15] Yeah.

[00:46:16] And right now I'm in a mere two-year relationship.

[00:46:22] Finishing up a nine-year relationship.

[00:46:23] Not finishing up, but I'm in a nine-year relationship right now.

[00:46:26] You're in a nine-year relationship?

[00:46:27] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:28] We call ourselves prison married because he's already done the marriage thing.

[00:46:32] I kind of don't care about a big wedding or a marriage or anything,

[00:46:35] so we're domestic partners at this point.

[00:46:37] Okay.

[00:46:37] So I call him my husband.

[00:46:39] Yeah.

[00:46:39] But we say prison married.

[00:46:41] Yeah.

[00:46:42] So you are domestically married.

[00:46:43] Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:44] Nine years.

[00:46:45] Hey.

[00:46:45] Yeah, my first marriage was nine years.

[00:46:47] You're what?

[00:46:48] What's?

[00:46:48] My first marriage.

[00:46:49] That's funny.

[00:46:50] Mine too?

[00:46:51] My second was three, three and a half.

[00:46:53] Yeah.

[00:46:54] Oh, that's cool.

[00:46:55] I mean, you guys should date.

[00:46:56] What was your third?

[00:46:57] It's not happened yet.

[00:47:00] Well, I'm not opposed to marriage.

[00:47:02] Like, you know, like people get divorced and I'll never do it again.

[00:47:04] I'll never do it again.

[00:47:06] I'm a hopeless romantic.

[00:47:07] I love love.

[00:47:08] I love being in love.

[00:47:10] I love someone loving me.

[00:47:12] I'm totally for marriage.

[00:47:14] Yeah.

[00:47:14] But I'm also not a, I'm not naive.

[00:47:17] I can get out of it.

[00:47:18] It's, that's the thing is that people think that, you know, again, we grew up in the church.

[00:47:22] We, we see marriage as kind of a final thing.

[00:47:24] And like with the divorce rates, we have to be honest with ourselves.

[00:47:28] Like people get divorced and it's fine.

[00:47:31] So what about the rates?

[00:47:32] So what about the rates of what's happening?

[00:47:34] If it don't fucking work, you move on.

[00:47:36] Yeah, exactly.

[00:47:36] Life is too damn short.

[00:47:38] You know what?

[00:47:39] We're going to act shocked when a divorce happens.

[00:47:41] It happens all the time.

[00:47:42] Yeah.

[00:47:43] Yeah.

[00:47:43] Get another one.

[00:47:45] Move quick.

[00:47:46] Do lesbian speed.

[00:47:47] Trade, trade keys on the first date.

[00:47:49] Hello.

[00:47:49] Hello.

[00:47:49] My husband couldn't, he opened up a drawer for me like within two weeks and he couldn't,

[00:47:53] he still can't get me out.

[00:47:55] Ah.

[00:47:55] I'm like bugs in his apartment.

[00:47:57] My boyfriend's already talking about wearing a veil.

[00:47:59] Y'all are so funny.

[00:48:00] Anson's going to kill me.

[00:48:01] Stream suicide ride on Spotify.

[00:48:03] So we are, this is going to be our third episode.

[00:48:05] Like I said, we wanted to bring in Maymay Graves because it, correct me if I'm wrong,

[00:48:09] you're Scare Queen?

[00:48:10] The term that people use now is like alt drag or alt performer or alt queen.

[00:48:15] Okay.

[00:48:16] And I'm like alternative to what?

[00:48:17] I just consider myself a drag queen.

[00:48:18] Drag queen.

[00:48:18] Yeah.

[00:48:18] Cool.

[00:48:19] Cool.

[00:48:19] But like I'm a spooky, I'm a spooky girl.

[00:48:20] I didn't know the difference.

[00:48:22] I didn't know there were so many.

[00:48:23] I even had to tell about bio queens and he didn't know about bio queens.

[00:48:26] There's a new term.

[00:48:27] There's trans queens, bio queens, shit.

[00:48:28] There's all kinds of queens.

[00:48:29] We don't say bio queen anymore.

[00:48:31] Okay.

[00:48:31] I didn't know that.

[00:48:32] Excuse me.

[00:48:33] I didn't know.

[00:48:33] Because, because the thing is like a lot of people don't, the thing is like I

[00:48:37] let people define themselves.

[00:48:38] Specify bio queen.

[00:48:39] Yeah.

[00:48:39] So the, the term bio queen, the reason why people don't use it as much anymore is because

[00:48:43] it refers to biological sex and it's more so about like just the

[00:48:49] journey of an assigned female at birth person.

[00:48:51] So I just, I just say like cis female queen.

[00:48:54] So cisgender female queen.

[00:48:56] Like it, it tells exactly what, what you're looking at.

[00:48:59] That's one of the reasons why we.

[00:49:01] I'm a messiah.

[00:49:03] Or diva.

[00:49:04] Diva is a good, a good one.

[00:49:05] They have a whole pageant system for cis female queens that I've helped out with.

[00:49:09] And it's, it's called Miss Diva.

[00:49:11] You know, that's the reason we wanted to do this episode.

[00:49:13] It went into be, it was going to be a two part series and it wanted to go into

[00:49:16] further because both of you, I know you ladies very much so well.

[00:49:20] And I, you guys have provided, so your ladies have provided such insight for me.

[00:49:24] And that's why I wanted to have you both on the show, especially with my best friend.

[00:49:27] Look at this baby he's got right there.

[00:49:30] And so just providing insight because when we go out, we don't ever want to disrespect.

[00:49:34] We always, we want to know how to address you guys.

[00:49:37] How to address you.

[00:49:38] I always say you guys, you know what I mean?

[00:49:39] You guys.

[00:49:40] How to address, you know, you ladies.

[00:49:42] Yeah.

[00:49:43] You people.

[00:49:43] My friends.

[00:49:44] I want to address how I want to address my friends.

[00:49:46] You Herms.

[00:49:46] You better stop it.

[00:49:50] No, like it's, we, again, with information as quickly as it is, like there are people

[00:49:56] in the scene who like are not chronically online like myself, who I have to be very patient

[00:50:03] with and I don't hold it against them whenever they're not like up to date on the newest term.

[00:50:07] I just like let them know like, hey, this is what we're saying.

[00:50:09] It's just education.

[00:50:10] Yeah.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:11] People don't know.

[00:50:12] We're constantly learning.

[00:50:16] All these terms.

[00:50:17] Yeah.

[00:50:18] Differences.

[00:50:18] Yeah.

[00:50:19] You know, and like, you know.

[00:50:20] I feel new.

[00:50:21] Miss Josephine here, like she was one of, she was one of my residents when I was a property

[00:50:25] manager here.

[00:50:25] Josephine, what do you classify yourself as drag-wise?

[00:50:29] Because there's.

[00:50:30] Drag-wise, I'm just a performer.

[00:50:33] I'm an entertainer.

[00:50:35] Okay.

[00:50:36] And I feel like I'm a well-rounded entertainer.

[00:50:39] So I don't just stick myself in one box.

[00:50:41] Okay.

[00:50:41] But as a person, I classify as a trans woman.

[00:50:45] Okay.

[00:50:46] Okay.

[00:50:46] You know?

[00:50:47] Yeah.

[00:50:47] And you know, I'm almost half a century.

[00:50:49] She's been talking about that for so long.

[00:50:50] I don't know.

[00:50:50] She does it better than anybody I know.

[00:50:53] Girl.

[00:50:54] You know, we talk to so many different people and they're like, we talk to Miss Jojo.

[00:50:57] Miss Jojo's out there like throwing her legs up.

[00:50:59] She's flipping and flopping.

[00:51:01] I lost all that long ago.

[00:51:04] And this bitch, I like.

[00:51:05] She's doing it.

[00:51:11] I'm doing jump splits and I sit there and watch Jojo.

[00:51:14] I'm 36 pushing 70 and she's half a century pushing 20.

[00:51:17] I'm not embarrassed.

[00:51:18] I'm 47.

[00:51:19] You shouldn't be.

[00:51:20] You shouldn't be.

[00:51:21] But with some of the terms, I don't know as well.

[00:51:27] There's so many different terms out there.

[00:51:29] Okay.

[00:51:29] There's new terms coming up every day.

[00:51:31] Yeah.

[00:51:31] There's always something new.

[00:51:33] Yeah.

[00:51:34] The children are the future.

[00:51:35] There's a baby.

[00:51:35] There goes a baby.

[00:51:37] Yeah.

[00:51:37] No.

[00:51:37] There's so many terms and then they change.

[00:51:39] They get new.

[00:51:41] They alter.

[00:51:41] Yeah.

[00:51:42] There's always a new generation of kids who they want to have say in what they want to

[00:51:49] be seen as.

[00:51:49] Or different.

[00:51:50] They want to be different.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:52] So I have some questions for you.

[00:51:54] So who was your first?

[00:51:55] Who was it?

[00:51:56] It was Josephine.

[00:51:56] Who was your first drag performer that you ever saw?

[00:51:58] Performer.

[00:51:59] That's a good question.

[00:52:00] I'm going to I'm going to give Miss Josephine my headphones so that she can hear herself.

[00:52:04] Yeah.

[00:52:04] Make sure.

[00:52:05] Yes.

[00:52:05] Put one on.

[00:52:06] Put one on.

[00:52:07] That way you can hear yourself.

[00:52:08] Okay.

[00:52:09] First performer.

[00:52:10] She goes.

[00:52:10] You're from Vegas solo right?

[00:52:12] No.

[00:52:12] I'm from here.

[00:52:13] Okay.

[00:52:13] Okay.

[00:52:14] Okay.

[00:52:14] Okay girl.

[00:52:14] I'm actually from Oakley.

[00:52:16] First performer.

[00:52:17] She went by the name of Coco.

[00:52:19] A lot of people know Coco outside of Dragus.

[00:52:23] Arthur.

[00:52:24] From here?

[00:52:24] Yes.

[00:52:25] I don't know if Coco is from here.

[00:52:28] So where did you see Coco first perform?

[00:52:31] So I didn't see her perform first.

[00:52:34] I was like dancing in the parking lot of Big Daddy's.

[00:52:38] Shut up.

[00:52:39] Shut up.

[00:52:40] How long ago?

[00:52:41] This is like over 30 years ago.

[00:52:44] Okay.

[00:52:45] All right.

[00:52:45] So where Alexander's is located, it used to be Big Daddy's.

[00:52:48] Oh, I know Alexander's.

[00:52:50] And then next door, where it's the nail salon, it used to be the Anchor Inn, which is kind

[00:52:56] of like, it's the same as 10 room.

[00:52:58] It was all the male strippers.

[00:53:00] Strip joint.

[00:53:01] So I'm dancing in the parking lot.

[00:53:03] Me and some of my peers, we're hanging out.

[00:53:05] We're young.

[00:53:06] I'm like 17 years old at the time.

[00:53:10] This queen comes up to me, my auntie.

[00:53:13] She goes by the name of Alexis Davenport.

[00:53:16] And I did this one particular dance move.

[00:53:19] I think it was like a jeté.

[00:53:21] And she was like, do it again.

[00:53:22] And then I'm like, okay girl, I'll do it again.

[00:53:24] And she was like, hey, you want to make some quick money?

[00:53:27] And I was like, yeah, you know, why not?

[00:53:29] I'm young.

[00:53:30] I'm trying to make it through.

[00:53:32] She was like, I want you to dance for someone.

[00:53:34] So I am uneducated at this time when it comes to the art of female impersonation.

[00:53:42] And the female impersonator I danced for, she goes, like I said, once again, she goes

[00:53:47] by Coco.

[00:53:48] She was already a former Miss Gay US of A.

[00:53:50] And I went all the way to Louisville, Kentucky.

[00:53:54] And I danced as a backup dancer for her.

[00:53:56] That's where my boyfriend's from.

[00:53:58] That's where my boyfriend's from.

[00:53:59] Really?

[00:53:59] Yeah.

[00:54:00] Oh, see.

[00:54:01] And the surprising thing was at that time, I didn't understand men dressing up as women.

[00:54:10] So not only, you know, I was just new to this whole community of performers and entertainers.

[00:54:18] I was like, wow.

[00:54:20] You know, I was taken back.

[00:54:23] Yeah.

[00:54:23] So she won the pageant in Louisville, Kentucky, National EOY.

[00:54:27] And then next thing you know, I was like, hey, I think I could do the same thing.

[00:54:31] So you travel for your shows too?

[00:54:34] Absolutely.

[00:54:35] I've been around when it comes to performing.

[00:54:38] All right.

[00:54:39] You ever won?

[00:54:40] You ever won?

[00:54:41] One?

[00:54:41] Yeah.

[00:54:42] What are your titles?

[00:54:43] A couple?

[00:54:44] A competition.

[00:54:45] What are your accomplishments?

[00:54:46] Give them the list.

[00:54:49] No, y'all don't understand.

[00:54:50] JoJo can fucking dance.

[00:54:52] There ain't no bullshit to that.

[00:54:54] It's embarrassing to say.

[00:54:55] I've won a lot of like local pageants, city pageants.

[00:54:58] It's not embarrassing.

[00:54:59] It's state pageants.

[00:55:01] It's probable.

[00:55:01] Don't remember every pageant I've ever won.

[00:55:04] But I can say I've been, you know, top 10 in Miss Gay US of A a few times.

[00:55:09] All right.

[00:55:10] The highest I ever got in Miss Gay US of A was like second runner up.

[00:55:14] Okay.

[00:55:14] Which is, to me, I think that's a really good accomplishment.

[00:55:17] Absolutely.

[00:55:18] You know?

[00:55:19] Being on it.

[00:55:19] Yeah.

[00:55:21] I've done some fabulous things in life.

[00:55:23] I've been a lucky girl.

[00:55:24] So where do you mostly perform?

[00:55:27] Nowadays, my home bar is the Roundup.

[00:55:29] Every Thursday, every Sunday.

[00:55:33] Anywhere else?

[00:55:34] Well, I'm all over.

[00:55:36] So, and I'm at Hamburger Mary's as well.

[00:55:39] Where do you advertise your stuff?

[00:55:41] Anywhere I'm working at that particular time is where I'm advertised.

[00:55:45] That poster for that venue.

[00:55:48] You don't have social media showing yours?

[00:55:50] Absolutely.

[00:55:51] I have Facebook, Instagram.

[00:55:53] You want to tell them where?

[00:55:54] So, yeah, go ahead and tell them where you performed.

[00:55:56] You're not going to embarrass me.

[00:55:58] I don't even know my social media by heart.

[00:56:01] So let me ask you a question.

[00:56:03] So with, I think with now with drag becoming more comfortable in our society and stuff,

[00:56:08] is dragway something that you would compete in or try to do?

[00:56:11] Okay.

[00:56:12] So for me, I worked at Senior Frogs for two years, which is in Las Vegas at Treasure Island.

[00:56:23] You've probably seen me there and don't even remember.

[00:56:26] I remember you telling me how it was Erica Andrews at Luxor and you were there.

[00:56:31] Yep.

[00:56:31] In Lubbock.

[00:56:32] Yes, I did.

[00:56:33] Senior Frogs for the ass.

[00:56:35] I did that for a couple of years.

[00:56:37] I've sewn and created costumes for quite a few other girls on the show.

[00:56:42] On a side note, Miss Josephine was going to do an awesome, sexy costume for me and Cody to do back years ago.

[00:56:48] Oh, in on that, I did actually dress up.

[00:56:52] Did you see his tutu love?

[00:56:53] Turning back to our last episode, I did it.

[00:56:55] He did it.

[00:56:56] He wore a tutu.

[00:56:57] I was the tooth fairy.

[00:56:58] The fairy.

[00:56:58] I loved it.

[00:56:59] You looked so good.

[00:57:00] We had a good time there.

[00:57:01] He came out and I go, it was great.

[00:57:02] I laughed and I go, that's the most masculine man you'll ever see in a tutu.

[00:57:06] My ex-husband too.

[00:57:07] My ex-husband comes through and he's like, you were in Dwayne Johnson.

[00:57:11] You were in Wings.

[00:57:12] Yeah, I look like Dwayne.

[00:57:13] See, that's some gender fog.

[00:57:14] My dad looks like Dwayne for sure.

[00:57:16] But my ex-husband, he told his friends, he's like, he's the most masculine man I know.

[00:57:20] And he's out here in the fairies.

[00:57:21] That's gender fog.

[00:57:22] That's the stuff that I do.

[00:57:23] Yeah.

[00:57:24] Like, I don't mind.

[00:57:25] I practice with different genders.

[00:57:26] And it was so funny because we left the apartment.

[00:57:27] I was laughing at him.

[00:57:28] He's like, why?

[00:57:29] I go, I love the fact that you are the most masculine man.

[00:57:31] I know you're my best friend.

[00:57:32] I go, but the fact that you're going to go out there and do this and rock it.

[00:57:35] Fucking tutu.

[00:57:36] And it was, we had a fucking amazing time.

[00:57:40] It was great.

[00:57:40] And I won a dance battle with somebody twerking.

[00:57:42] Oh, and I got the videos.

[00:57:44] That wasn't me.

[00:57:45] You looked adorable.

[00:57:46] That was Enrique.

[00:57:47] But in all essence, we were talking about this years ago when I'd asked Miss Josephine to design our costume.

[00:57:52] We were going to go as Mario and Luigi.

[00:57:53] And she's like, how slutty do you want to go?

[00:57:55] And I was like, so my best friend, he don't want to go slutty.

[00:57:58] He wants to go Mormon.

[00:57:59] And she's like, no, no, no.

[00:58:01] And I said, no, but he has his boundaries.

[00:58:03] I do.

[00:58:04] And then he had his accident, so he couldn't do the costume.

[00:58:08] So, and then now fast forward, here we are.

[00:58:10] He wore a tutu.

[00:58:10] So next year, she's going to hook it up.

[00:58:11] We're about to blow this joint apart.

[00:58:13] I think next year, I'm just going to have you paint one.

[00:58:15] Go full naked, you just paint it on.

[00:58:16] That's a whole lie.

[00:58:17] Airbrushing.

[00:58:18] That's going to be my new talent.

[00:58:20] Girl, airbrushing is so hard.

[00:58:21] I need you to practice for a year.

[00:58:23] Practice for a year.

[00:58:24] I didn't know.

[00:58:25] I love her.

[00:58:26] I want to be a baseball player.

[00:58:28] It squirts out.

[00:58:29] That's hot.

[00:58:30] Yeah.

[00:58:30] You want to do like Dodgers?

[00:58:32] Yeah.

[00:58:32] Yeah, Dodgers.

[00:58:33] Dodgers because they win.

[00:58:35] Do like a full Elton John body paint.

[00:58:37] I was talking about that recently.

[00:58:39] Not the Braves.

[00:58:40] It's so funny you say that.

[00:58:40] Not the Braves.

[00:58:42] We're not part of the Braves system.

[00:58:44] Sports.

[00:58:45] But yeah.

[00:58:47] I'm going to cut that out.

[00:58:48] But yeah.

[00:58:48] So, no, I mean, I've seen your capabilities too.

[00:58:51] Like I've seen this stuff that you can do.

[00:58:53] Like I've seen your costumes.

[00:58:54] They're fucking amazing.

[00:58:55] Like Oscar de la Renta who?

[00:58:57] That is so sweet.

[00:58:58] Thank you.

[00:58:59] Have y'all ever performed together or at the same time?

[00:59:00] Oh yeah.

[00:59:01] No.

[00:59:01] Oh my God.

[00:59:02] Anytime.

[00:59:02] June, we did a pride show down at Dada and Deep Ellum.

[00:59:07] Yeah.

[00:59:07] Yeah, no.

[00:59:08] And the way that like, girl, it was so hot that day.

[00:59:10] And the way we were like stuck in this little backstage.

[00:59:13] But like we've, and the way that we were just kind of like, we ended up like just sweating,

[00:59:16] just staring at each other for a while.

[00:59:17] We started dissociating because we had to perform outside too.

[00:59:21] And I remember like I was sitting there like I was just wearing a jockstrap at that point.

[00:59:24] I was not going to be dressing up.

[00:59:26] And this bitch just walks out and like kills it.

[00:59:29] And you did it.

[00:59:30] You did a Beyonce number.

[00:59:31] I met the two girls.

[00:59:32] Yeah.

[00:59:32] Remember the two little kiddie pools?

[00:59:34] Oh my God.

[00:59:35] No.

[00:59:35] And I didn't know that I would be hosting the wet t-shirt, wet underwear contest.

[00:59:38] And so I'm just sitting there like while they're just spraying two people.

[00:59:41] I'm like, give it up for Jessica.

[00:59:44] Whatever I find, whatever I, the thing is we make it fun whenever it's like a weird,

[00:59:48] whenever we get like a bathroom dressing room situation.

[00:59:51] But yeah, no, like it's always been a good time backstage.

[00:59:53] We always have a great time.

[00:59:54] Yeah, no.

[00:59:54] She was one of my, I told Cody because like I said, she was one of my residents.

[00:59:58] And the first day she came in, she was mad because the previous manager was a cunt.

[01:00:02] And he was scared of her, by the way.

[01:00:03] Yeah, he was a cunt.

[01:00:04] He was scared.

[01:00:05] And I go, I said, this Michelle done come in.

[01:00:06] I thought she's going to whoop my ass.

[01:00:08] In my regional, my regional.

[01:00:10] I'm telling you, she body builds bigger than me.

[01:00:11] Oh man.

[01:00:11] In my regional?

[01:00:12] Yes.

[01:00:13] In my regional.

[01:00:14] You know, Miss Lauren.

[01:00:15] Miss Lauren goes, oh Michelle, Michelle's really nice.

[01:00:18] And I go, no, Michelle's about to whoop my ass.

[01:00:20] I love whenever someone's like, oh yeah, whenever like Barbie or somebody is like, oh, I worked

[01:00:25] with Jojo last weekend.

[01:00:26] I'm like, and you survived?

[01:00:27] We had Miss Marissa Cage on the show last week and we were talking and we're laughing.

[01:00:31] And she's talking about, you know, she's like, I go out there and do my thing.

[01:00:34] And she's like, and you got people like Miss Josephine.

[01:00:35] I go, that's my girl.

[01:00:36] She's like, no girl.

[01:00:37] She's like, me and Jojo.

[01:00:39] She's like, but Jojo goes out there, does the acrobatics, the leg.

[01:00:42] That ain't me.

[01:00:43] I do one flip a month.

[01:00:45] I allow myself to do one flip a month.

[01:00:47] Yeah, just one flip.

[01:00:48] I do one cartwheel.

[01:00:50] Yes.

[01:00:50] And Jojo almost, as she says, she's pushing 50.

[01:00:53] Jojo's out there kicking legs.

[01:00:55] I bet she's doing gymnastics.

[01:00:57] All the way.

[01:00:58] On a Tuesday night.

[01:00:59] On a Tuesday.

[01:01:00] It's a game night.

[01:01:01] People are out.

[01:01:02] And I love the fact she's like, yo, I'm almost pushing 40.

[01:01:04] Girl, you were pushing 25 the way you kicked that leg so high.

[01:01:08] Y'all making me blush.

[01:01:09] I had to stop drinking.

[01:01:11] My body started shutting down.

[01:01:13] I definitely shut down, you know, the next morning for IB problems.

[01:01:18] It don't hurt.

[01:01:19] Four to begin with.

[01:01:20] Yes.

[01:01:22] We went to the Halloween block party, like I said, and Cody went to as a tooth fairy.

[01:01:27] It was really cool.

[01:01:28] We went as a ringleader.

[01:01:29] You didn't get me out of the apartment.

[01:01:31] We didn't.

[01:01:31] Because he came out and I laughed.

[01:01:33] He's like, Braden, shut up.

[01:01:34] And I go, no.

[01:01:35] I was like, you're the most masculine man that I've ever seen.

[01:01:38] If the night starts like that, it's going to be like that all night.

[01:01:40] Yeah.

[01:01:41] You look so cute.

[01:01:42] And so I was like, I got my backpack.

[01:01:44] We're going to put everything.

[01:01:45] He's like, Braden, my life is in your backpack.

[01:01:47] Let's make sure we have it.

[01:01:48] At block party, trusting your things with other people.

[01:01:51] Oh, man.

[01:01:51] And so we have a good buddy system, you know.

[01:01:54] And so we went and we were hanging out and there was just so many people.

[01:01:58] And so I texted Miss Josephine and I said, this line to Roundup, the front and the back,

[01:02:02] was beyond that I wanted to go through.

[01:02:04] And I was like, so what are you doing?

[01:02:04] And she's like, well, I'm not at Roundup.

[01:02:08] And I was like, okay, girl, where are you at?

[01:02:09] And she's like, so we're at Hamburger Mary's.

[01:02:11] And that's what we went.

[01:02:11] We hung out with her at Hamburger Mary's and we had a fucking good time.

[01:02:15] It was really fun.

[01:02:16] No crowds.

[01:02:17] You know, we had a good time.

[01:02:18] Did you find your keys?

[01:02:19] I did.

[01:02:21] She lost her keys.

[01:02:22] Texted me at four in the morning and I was like, woke up at eight and go, baby, I don't have your keys.

[01:02:27] Girl, hold on.

[01:02:28] I had to call everyone.

[01:02:29] And if I told you where I lost my keys.

[01:02:32] Girl, we're at the bathhouse.

[01:02:33] Bitch.

[01:02:34] Grandma's house.

[01:02:34] It was a parking lot of, you know, Hamburger Mary's.

[01:02:37] It was a parking lot of, you know, thank God I got them back.

[01:02:41] I was very happy.

[01:02:42] I can't be mad.

[01:02:43] You know, many things to have in that parking lot.

[01:02:45] So it is what it is.

[01:02:46] And I lose my keys once a month.

[01:02:48] I know I mentioned earlier, but Jojo makes costumes, though.

[01:02:51] Jojo is a talent.

[01:02:53] Jojo makes wedding dresses.

[01:02:54] This bitch can put it together.

[01:02:56] I was telling this Jojo today, she was like, she's like, I was telling her, we normally do our show in the mornings.

[01:03:01] And so we were going to do it, you know, earlier.

[01:03:04] And I was like, hey, Miss Jo, can you come out today?

[01:03:06] I wouldn't have made it.

[01:03:07] Well, they double booked us today.

[01:03:09] And I didn't tell you that.

[01:03:10] I didn't get home till two.

[01:03:11] So I looked up.

[01:03:12] Oh, both of you.

[01:03:13] Yeah.

[01:03:14] The storms.

[01:03:14] I was in the airport for four hours delay, two hours on the plane.

[01:03:18] My flight went an extra hour.

[01:03:20] It took me, what, 10 hours to get home.

[01:03:22] And so when we got home, I told Miss May, I was like, so this is what time.

[01:03:26] And then I was like, hey, we're going to push it.

[01:03:27] And then our guy from the studio was like, hey, I double booked you.

[01:03:29] And I'm like, you double what?

[01:03:31] And so I was like, all right, we're going to try to fix this.

[01:03:33] And so we pushed it till later today.

[01:03:35] But yeah, and it worked out perfectly because, yeah, it was a hot ass mess.

[01:03:41] Girl, I feel like so much.

[01:03:42] I got to go questions into younger age.

[01:03:45] When did you know that you're going to do drag?

[01:03:48] And when did you start dressing like a female?

[01:03:49] So it's 17 when I danced for Coco is when I realized, okay, there's a different type of entertainment out there that I would like to venture in.

[01:04:01] And as far as female, after getting out of my nine-year relationship.

[01:04:07] Before you were 17?

[01:04:10] This is before you were 17?

[01:04:12] No, no, no, no.

[01:04:13] Okay.

[01:04:14] When me and, I wouldn't say his name.

[01:04:18] I'm not going to.

[01:04:19] Yeah, don't hesitate.

[01:04:21] When me and my ex broke up, I want to say I was 29.

[01:04:26] And that's when I decided to transition into a female.

[01:04:30] Okay.

[01:04:31] But you say transition into a female.

[01:04:32] So like that means like taking hormone therapy.

[01:04:35] Dressing that wise, but you were born this way.

[01:04:37] Yeah.

[01:04:37] Well, I am born this way, but not born this way in your mind.

[01:04:42] But I mean like you were born physically this way, but in your mind you changed later?

[01:04:48] I changed later physically, mentally, the whole nine yards.

[01:04:53] Because when you transition, it's a difference from just dressing up and doing drag as a job or doing drag as a hobby.

[01:05:05] And it's different being a trans woman to actually take hormone therapy and then you do things to alter your body to become the person that.

[01:05:15] So more specific.

[01:05:17] Okay.

[01:05:18] Being a trans woman and taking hormone therapy.

[01:05:20] So you were born a man?

[01:05:22] Absolutely.

[01:05:22] And you took hormone therapy and then got breast implant?

[01:05:25] Yes.

[01:05:25] Breast on?

[01:05:26] Yes.

[01:05:26] Okay.

[01:05:26] That was my question, I guess so.

[01:05:28] Absolutely.

[01:05:28] Just curious.

[01:05:29] No disrespect.

[01:05:29] Yeah, I was born a very handsome guy.

[01:05:32] Okay.

[01:05:33] And then so you transitioned when you were 29?

[01:05:37] Yes.

[01:05:37] Okay.

[01:05:38] And now I'm beautiful.

[01:05:39] You've been beautiful.

[01:05:41] You're gorgeous.

[01:05:42] I just.

[01:05:42] You and both.

[01:05:43] The whole process amazes me.

[01:05:45] The whole.

[01:05:45] Yeah.

[01:05:46] When your mind changes, it's.

[01:05:48] I fully.

[01:05:49] It's not an easy process.

[01:05:50] I couldn't imagine.

[01:05:52] It's difficult.

[01:05:53] You missed it earlier.

[01:05:55] And I'm just going to re-hit on my son.

[01:05:58] My son the other day.

[01:05:59] And of course, like I'm very open.

[01:06:02] Willing to accept anything.

[01:06:04] My daughter's straight as fuck.

[01:06:05] My son.

[01:06:06] I got a couple of those in my family.

[01:06:07] My son.

[01:06:08] He.

[01:06:09] He battled with the confusion because he's raised by two gay dads.

[01:06:12] He doesn't have a mom because he was adopted.

[01:06:14] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:15] So he.

[01:06:15] He battled with like.

[01:06:17] Am I supposed to like guys?

[01:06:18] Because he'll tell me.

[01:06:19] Dad, that guy.

[01:06:21] He'll tell me straight up.

[01:06:22] He's like, dad, that guy's hot.

[01:06:23] Make him your boyfriend.

[01:06:24] He can acknowledge.

[01:06:24] He can.

[01:06:24] He can.

[01:06:25] He can.

[01:06:29] If he was supposed to be actually attracted to that person or to that gender.

[01:06:33] Mm-hmm.

[01:06:34] And so recently.

[01:06:35] And, you know, we've had that conversation.

[01:06:37] You know, you can think any genders.

[01:06:39] Good looking and acknowledge it, but not have those intentions.

[01:06:43] Of feelings.

[01:06:44] Yeah.

[01:06:44] Yeah.

[01:06:45] How old is he?

[01:06:46] He's turning 10, but he's way older than 10.

[01:06:48] Oh, he's young.

[01:06:49] He's an old soul.

[01:06:50] There's a different world.

[01:06:51] You don't understand.

[01:06:52] This is not our world.

[01:06:53] But the way I parent, yeah, yeah.

[01:06:57] We damn near are.

[01:06:59] And also later.

[01:07:00] So he recently mentioned he got a lipstick chapstick from school.

[01:07:06] And I'm going to reiterate because we talked about it earlier, but he got a lipstick chapstick

[01:07:10] from school.

[01:07:11] And I'm like, where'd you get that from?

[01:07:12] Did you steal it from a girl?

[01:07:13] What'd you do?

[01:07:14] He got it himself.

[01:07:15] And basically, long story short, I was like, man, you know, that's for a girl, blah,

[01:07:20] blah, blah.

[01:07:20] And he's like, but dad, what if I want to be a girl?

[01:07:22] And so we had to go into the, you chop it off, tuck it in, you can't grow it back kind

[01:07:25] of thing.

[01:07:26] And he's like, well, you got to let me be who I want to be.

[01:07:28] Okay.

[01:07:29] 100%.

[01:07:29] Cool.

[01:07:30] But you're not going to do those things until you're 18.

[01:07:34] Straight up.

[01:07:35] My rule.

[01:07:36] Give a fuck.

[01:07:37] I will support you.

[01:07:38] I'll accept it.

[01:07:39] But in society, you're not going to do that in period until you're able to sound mind

[01:07:46] or develop that decision.

[01:07:49] I agree.

[01:07:49] So I was just curious on when your timeline was.

[01:07:52] Going back to the age difference is we come from a different world.

[01:07:58] So like back in the 80s, back in the 90s, you know, people thought either female or male

[01:08:05] and, you know, gay lifestyle was so light down low.

[01:08:10] It wasn't something that was open.

[01:08:12] It wasn't something you seen on TV.

[01:08:13] You didn't have RuPaul drag race.

[01:08:16] It was white and black.

[01:08:17] Yeah.

[01:08:18] There's no more than that.

[01:08:19] Think about the very first gay show that came on television in the 90s.

[01:08:23] RuPaul.

[01:08:24] RuPaul.

[01:08:25] For me it was.

[01:08:26] Queer.

[01:08:26] Queer.

[01:08:27] I think that.

[01:08:28] Straight guy.

[01:08:28] That was the very first gay show.

[01:08:29] Queer as folk was my porn back in the day.

[01:08:31] But you had RuPaul in the 90s, her talk show on RuPaul.

[01:08:33] You had RuPaul come out with Work, Cover Girl.

[01:08:36] She came out with a couple of songs.

[01:08:38] They did too.

[01:08:39] But she had a talk show.

[01:08:40] She did, but it didn't stay on long.

[01:08:43] One season.

[01:08:43] It was like on VH1.

[01:08:45] I remember the show.

[01:08:46] Okay.

[01:08:46] I was on there.

[01:08:47] You know, I love Tammy Faye.

[01:08:48] Tammy Faye with the eyelashes.

[01:08:49] I love Tammy Faye.

[01:08:50] Oh, bless her.

[01:08:51] Yes.

[01:08:52] Tammy Faye Baker, her husband, was a preacher in this scandal.

[01:08:54] But back in the day.

[01:08:56] She smoked a lot of makeup.

[01:08:57] A lot of makeup.

[01:08:58] Tammy Faye Baker.

[01:08:58] Tammy Faye Baker.

[01:09:00] The PTO.

[01:09:01] She was for our network.

[01:09:02] 700 Club.

[01:09:02] Yup.

[01:09:03] So basically her husband, they started the PTL, the prayer network.

[01:09:08] And her husband was sleeping with the assistant.

[01:09:11] Well, that too.

[01:09:12] And so it came out and it went to shambles and like the 700 network bought it out.

[01:09:16] But she was a gay ally.

[01:09:18] She is.

[01:09:18] She was.

[01:09:19] Yeah.

[01:09:19] Her.

[01:09:20] One of my favorite things about her is that she she was very much like a Princess Diana of

[01:09:25] the evangelical world.

[01:09:27] Yes.

[01:09:27] And one of the biggest things that she did was she fought to have during the AIDS crisis.

[01:09:32] She fought to have a gay man with AIDS who was diagnosed with AIDS.

[01:09:37] On her show.

[01:09:38] On her show.

[01:09:39] And she fought the network because it was a Christian network and they didn't want somebody

[01:09:43] with AIDS in the building and people started quitting.

[01:09:45] And so she had to compromise and have him on like on a video call.

[01:09:50] Just in the building.

[01:09:51] On a video call.

[01:09:52] Yeah.

[01:09:52] And so like.

[01:09:53] But back then.

[01:09:54] The size of the screen.

[01:09:55] They were less educated back then too.

[01:09:56] Right.

[01:09:56] Oh yeah.

[01:09:57] And it was.

[01:09:57] But it was one of those things where like she she was so updated on.

[01:10:01] Like Elizabeth Taylor.

[01:10:03] She was just.

[01:10:03] Yeah.

[01:10:04] One of the first activists for AIDS.

[01:10:06] Back in.

[01:10:07] Yeah.

[01:10:07] She sobbed.

[01:10:08] One of the first activists.

[01:10:09] Yeah.

[01:10:09] She sobbed and just talked so much about how like.

[01:10:13] And she had her problems as well.

[01:10:15] But she talked so much about how the Christian community needs to come around and figure out

[01:10:20] that like we can touch these people.

[01:10:22] We can hug these people.

[01:10:23] We can.

[01:10:24] Like.

[01:10:24] And she.

[01:10:24] And she cried on the network.

[01:10:26] And later on he ended up outliving her.

[01:10:29] Yeah.

[01:10:29] Yeah.

[01:10:29] Yeah.

[01:10:30] She had cancer but she was one of the advocates for.

[01:10:33] And she was like.

[01:10:34] She did.

[01:10:35] And she advocated for all of us.

[01:10:36] And just five feet.

[01:10:38] Not even pepper.

[01:10:39] Four seven.

[01:10:40] Eyelashes for days.

[01:10:42] Yeah.

[01:10:42] Just PTL network.

[01:10:44] And just.

[01:10:44] Painted every day.

[01:10:45] And then she was on the Surreal Live.

[01:10:46] Never left the house.

[01:10:47] You saw her.

[01:10:47] Not painted.

[01:10:48] She was on the Surreal Live.

[01:10:49] Never.

[01:10:49] I watched that.

[01:10:50] Yeah.

[01:10:50] With Ron Jeremy.

[01:10:52] We were talking about Ron Jeremy earlier.

[01:10:53] Mr. 10 inch dick.

[01:10:54] But yes.

[01:10:55] Yeah.

[01:10:56] I said it.

[01:10:56] I love the advice you gave your son.

[01:10:59] Because people need to realize.

[01:11:02] Like.

[01:11:02] Okay.

[01:11:03] So.

[01:11:03] Not to get into politics or whatever.

[01:11:06] But.

[01:11:06] Oh we already done that.

[01:11:07] I.

[01:11:07] I.

[01:11:08] I pay attention to everything.

[01:11:09] I look at all the rallies.

[01:11:11] I don't like how.

[01:11:13] When Trump.

[01:11:14] Your son go to school one day.

[01:11:16] And come back the next day.

[01:11:17] Girl where is that happening?

[01:11:18] Like.

[01:11:19] How does that happen?

[01:11:20] Do you know.

[01:11:21] Like literally.

[01:11:21] You have to.

[01:11:22] You have to have a release.

[01:11:23] How long hormone therapy goes.

[01:11:24] You have to have a release to get a Tylenol from the nurse's office.

[01:11:27] How do you think that they're.

[01:11:28] That they're getting surgeries.

[01:11:29] And that's a long recovery process.

[01:11:31] It's crazy.

[01:11:32] If it was that easy.

[01:11:33] I would have to see that.

[01:11:34] But yeah.

[01:11:34] No.

[01:11:35] She was a total advocate for.

[01:11:36] For us.

[01:11:37] Just like Elizabeth Taylor and Princess Diana.

[01:11:39] Brand Drescher.

[01:11:40] Yeah.

[01:11:41] And she was just.

[01:11:42] She's very respected in our community.

[01:11:44] Yeah.

[01:11:45] And if you watch her.

[01:11:46] One of my favorite ones is Surreal Life.

[01:11:48] She was just.

[01:11:48] She was there to help everybody.

[01:11:50] And you have like these reality shows.

[01:11:51] People want to dig at each other.

[01:11:53] She was always there wanting to help you.

[01:11:54] I'm like.

[01:11:54] How can I help you feel better?

[01:11:56] What's wrong?

[01:11:56] She always wanted to.

[01:11:57] The big thing about her is that she loved God.

[01:12:00] And she loved people.

[01:12:01] And she's like.

[01:12:01] That's all.

[01:12:01] You know what?

[01:12:01] God loves you.

[01:12:02] And don't listen to what they say.

[01:12:04] Beautiful singer.

[01:12:05] She did.

[01:12:05] Oh yeah.

[01:12:05] She had a great voice.

[01:12:06] And she went out there.

[01:12:07] Beautiful.

[01:12:07] And she was like.

[01:12:07] They was like.

[01:12:08] I remember one of the episodes.

[01:12:09] Like we have to show you how to properly sing.

[01:12:11] And she's like.

[01:12:12] You don't have to show me how to properly sing.

[01:12:13] I've been singing in the church for 20 years.

[01:12:15] You're going to have to share the biopic.

[01:12:17] Oh.

[01:12:17] The biopic with Jessica Chastain.

[01:12:19] It was so good.

[01:12:20] It's so good.

[01:12:21] My favorite scene is whenever they tell her.

[01:12:23] Like they kind of confront her.

[01:12:25] Because she was addicted to Ativan.

[01:12:26] And they said.

[01:12:27] They said.

[01:12:28] We think that you have an addiction to Ativan.

[01:12:30] And her response.

[01:12:31] She had this cute little like Betty Boop voice.

[01:12:34] And she goes.

[01:12:35] Oh.

[01:12:35] I'm not addicted to anything.

[01:12:36] Except for Diet Coke.

[01:12:37] She's like clicking it with her nail.

[01:12:38] But the ultimate diva of the.

[01:12:40] You know.

[01:12:40] The angelical world.

[01:12:42] You know.

[01:12:43] But just an ally for us all.

[01:12:45] And just.

[01:12:46] She was just.

[01:12:47] She was one to tell you.

[01:12:48] God loves you no matter what.

[01:12:50] You know.

[01:12:50] But yeah.

[01:12:51] Yeah.

[01:12:51] That's cool.

[01:12:52] But yeah.

[01:12:53] So.

[01:12:55] I do.

[01:12:55] I do have to head.

[01:12:57] You have to.

[01:12:58] Yeah.

[01:12:59] I got to start getting ready.

[01:13:00] I was here way before you.

[01:13:02] This is your time now Jojo.

[01:13:04] It was so great having you.

[01:13:05] We appreciate you.

[01:13:05] Thank you.

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[01:13:26] We're going to be showing the movie Terrifier on the 29th.

[01:13:28] And we're going to be doing a little drag show.

[01:13:30] And then.

[01:13:31] What?

[01:13:31] Oh not the new one.

[01:13:33] Just the first one.

[01:13:33] The new one's too long right now.

[01:13:35] And then.

[01:13:36] And then I have my show Black Glitter.

[01:13:37] We're still getting a date on that.

[01:13:39] But it's a.

[01:13:39] It's a.

[01:13:41] Quarterly Halloween party that I host.

[01:13:42] When you have the date.

[01:13:43] When you have the date posted on the website.

[01:13:45] Yeah.

[01:13:45] Yeah.

[01:13:46] Yes.

[01:13:46] We'll put it on there for you.

[01:13:47] Well.

[01:13:47] All right.

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